tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post5007005425707856599..comments2024-03-05T23:31:44.106-08:00Comments on Gay Family Values: Tshirt PunditsGFVhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02950236433262366445noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-63528774872968215762017-05-29T12:36:41.870-07:002017-05-29T12:36:41.870-07:00Thanks for a wonderful share. Your article has pro...Thanks for a wonderful share. Your article has proved your hard work and experience you have got in this field. Brilliant .i love it reading. <a href="http://queershirts.co" rel="nofollow">lgbt,</a><br />Colingwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01783606209371015909noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-1019393950408383882011-07-28T08:08:01.742-07:002011-07-28T08:08:01.742-07:00In response to the anonymous poster two comments a...In response to the anonymous poster two comments above me, I would like to explain why some people would wear gay pride t-shirts, or define themselves partially by their sexuality.<br /><br />In our society today, averyone is initially assumed to be straight. Therefore, gay people often assume that they too are straight early in life. They have to come to terms with their sexual orientation, and endure a great deal of intolerance if they are percieved to not be straight.<br />Society places a great deal of shame on the shoulders of the LGBT community, particularly on LGBT youth. Same-sex couples are rarely shown in popular media, the topic is often taboo, especially with younger audiences, it is treated as a sexual issue and thus one inappropriate for children, and politicians openly deny our rights on TV with no media uproar.<br />As such, when people come to terms with being LGBT, it is natural that they would want to avoid feeling ashamed of who they are for the rest of their life, so they decide to be proud.<br />Pride is also a common LGBT term to refer to the LGBT movement to support equal rights, and is as such a popular word for those in favor of LGBT rights.<br />One more note - the gay pride movement helps show the number of gay people in society. If we were quiet anout it and kept it to ourselves, gay youth would think that they were alone in the world. Showing just how many of us there are helps show others that they are not alone.<br /><br />Until society reaches a point where being gay is not considered any different from being straight, the very process of accepting oneself and becoming comfortable with one's sexuality will be a challenging and transformative experience. <br />For me at least, gay pride represents the fact that I went through the difficult experience of accepting myself and coming out, and that I have changed for the better because of it. It means that I am proud of who I am, that I am not going to let people ignore the existence of people like me, and that I reject the idea that being gay is something to be ashamed of.<br /><br />I define myself by many things, but I think that my sexual orientation has a place on that list. To disregard that part of myself as unimportant would be allowing my rights to continue being silently denied. If I'm going to be discriminated against by the laws of my own country, I don't intend to do it quietly.<br /><br />In summary, in an ideal world, gay pride would be as unecessary as straight pride is. Our world is not ideal. When gay people commit suicide in the "Land of the Free" because of homophobia, there is work that needs to be done. Personally, I don't feel like being demure and polite about getting the rights I'm supposed to be given in this country. And quite frankly, the process that led to coming out was really hard for me. I'm genuinely proud that I managed to get through it. It's ok to be proud of being who you are, especially when the rest of the world makes it so hard to do so.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-1679741202674794912011-07-28T07:34:40.534-07:002011-07-28T07:34:40.534-07:00Well, while I understand that the straight pride s...Well, while I understand that the straight pride shirt can mean several things, not all of them bad, that doesn't negate the fact that they are being sold by the Tea Party.<br />The USA is a country where money most definitely talks, and in my opinion, a supporter of gay rights should not be giving money to anti-gay political movements. <br />The Tea Party isn't going to donate the proceeds from these shirts to the Trevor project, they're going to use the money to campaign against our rights. If you're going to buy a straight pride shirt, make sure you don't buy it from a homophobe.<br /><br />On another note, gotta love how anti-gay people keep complaining about how hard it is to be anti-gay, and how gay people have it so good. Yup, it's reeeeal fun being oppressed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-84135383641632010172011-05-30T16:19:57.216-07:002011-05-30T16:19:57.216-07:00Does your sexuality define who you are? Rather, d...Does your sexuality define who you are? Rather, do you define who you are by your sexuality? I'm straight and came across this site because I googled "facepalm". I like to think I'm not homophobic, but I'm surprised by those who wear "gay and proud" tshirts etc. I've had gay friends, I have gay relatives, but I've never considered myself gay. I've also never felt the need to wear a "I love boobs" or any other tshirt delaring my sexuality. I understand why a "Straight Pride" t shirt is stupid, as straight sex has never been illegal. I do wonder why people would define themselves by their sexual preference however.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-67643632974273783702010-04-17T11:47:36.449-07:002010-04-17T11:47:36.449-07:00i say let 'em wear the t-shirt. If anyone wore...i say let 'em wear the t-shirt. If anyone wore it outside of a tea party, most people would just roll their eyes. The types of people who want these shirts already make fun of homosexuals, so they are just broadcasting their ignorance. Personally, I think it's pretty funny, especially since the figures remind me of a restroom door. While there are many things that LGBTs need to fight against, a lame tshirt is one of the lesser evils IMHO.<br />But I see some serious parodies on the horizon.:)<br />Take care.heatherfeatherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13794663459815619104noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-48975243847028339962010-04-17T04:32:08.936-07:002010-04-17T04:32:08.936-07:00The word Queer was malevolent at one time. So was ...The word Queer was malevolent at one time. So was Fagot. Pansy. Fruit. Light in the loafers.<br /><br />We took those words are reused them. I am queer. I am a fag. etc. etc. etc. We made them ours. We took their power away from them.<br /><br />If we wanted to, we could take the word Straight away too. Words are nothing without meaning. My grandmother to this day in her nineties says gay to mean happy. She refused to give it up. Even though the rest of the word refused to use it for any meaning except for the homosexuals. Because the word had no other meaning for her.<br /><br />Straight can be gay if we wanted it to.Ervshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06196978150135672738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-10078737207401740822010-04-15T13:51:49.016-07:002010-04-15T13:51:49.016-07:00i found this, and i thought i would share this wit...i found this, and i thought i would share this with you. =] <br /><br />i think it was written very well. it also makes you think.<br /><br />http://deadmanscrescendo.deviantart.com/art/I-m-coming-out-I-m-straight-98898676<br /><br />i still think that their intent was malicious. but hey what can i do.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-25909238272187148742010-04-13T21:29:22.194-07:002010-04-13T21:29:22.194-07:00All I have to say is Bryan you are a great blogger...All I have to say is Bryan you are a great blogger and Jay is a great vlogger! You both have opened my eyes to things that I would have never, ever seen and opened my ears to things I would have never heard. You two are true hero's to me. I am so glad that you both have one another because you two just fit together so well to me. I am so proud to be able to call you two my friends. Just keep up the great work that you both do. <br />Sincerely thanking you!<br />Take care buddy!LathanJVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14221901211751457424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-17618139631770450592010-04-13T15:36:59.589-07:002010-04-13T15:36:59.589-07:00I really don't get the point of the shirt, oth...I really don't get the point of the shirt, other then to be childishly petty in their opposition to every thing gay. I mean really they need a shirt to let people know they are straight, and proud of it? I mean they are like 90% of the population what is so hard about that? They are the ones that are the "normal" and in control, so how hard is it to be straight? Let alone what obstacles have their straightness caused them that they have to be so proud for standing up and overcoming? Its a petty we don't like gays and we don't like they they have pride so we want it to, maybe some of shirts and comedians making fun of their "straight pride" shirts will help to shun them into some actual thought on what they are saying.aNorthWestViewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03598507140332496283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-9752061443289984742010-04-13T12:58:35.547-07:002010-04-13T12:58:35.547-07:00This is a bit "off of the premise" of th...This is a bit "off of the premise" of this blog but I was thinking about t-shirts that I have seen in my life. When I first came out in '91 there were a lot of t-shirts available for the gay community. I still remember one that I saw in a gay book store in Cleveland. It said, "SORRY MOM-NO GRANDKIDS." Looking back at those times and now looking at your family Bryan-you have proved that t-shirt WRONG!!! Good for you!! ;-)<br />JimJim Stonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12387924451130690320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-75163874457904441212010-04-13T06:36:17.561-07:002010-04-13T06:36:17.561-07:00From my point of view... yes, this T-shirt could b...From my point of view... yes, this T-shirt could be seen as offensive, because it misses the same point that so many people do - gay pride is not about 'flaunting' your sexuality of getting 'special rights', its about not being ashamed anymore, and about equal rights. <br /><br />But my major reaction is how pathetic! Really? A t-shirt? You're so desperate that you need to wear a t-shirt proclaiming your heterosexuality. <br /><br />So I say let them wear their silly tshirts. Yes, they're a symptom of a much bigger problem, but its the problem everyone needs to get upset about instead.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-87947806604152881762010-04-13T05:15:44.291-07:002010-04-13T05:15:44.291-07:00Man, I cannot see Jay's side to this argument ...Man, I cannot see Jay's side to this argument at all. It is just another attempt at putting down gays -- period. I'm not saying that we ought to rip off the shirts of someone who is wearing one, but I don't see it as benign in any sense. I don't think there is a higher road to be taken here.kc55monoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-16345891046958579502010-04-13T04:33:39.134-07:002010-04-13T04:33:39.134-07:00Sorry I know I went off on a tangent but the point...Sorry I know I went off on a tangent but the point was that I see the same thing going on here. Where I think everybody should be allowed to take pride in facets of themselves (majority or minority). If somebody wants to take pride in their whiteness what else can you say? "Pride" is the operative word. At the same time, minority groups usually have a specific reason why they do X pride so on a comparative level it's naturally and understandably frustrating to have that struggle implicitly compared to a non-struggle of a majority group who's reacting to the minority group. There is a certain minimizing of a minority struggle going on whether on purpose or not. And in this case, based on the group that came up with the idea, it's probably the former.<br /><br />So how does one react? It's tough and I don't have the answer. This is a clever political attack no doubt because it's positing an already powerful majority group into victims when it's the furthest thing from the truth. At the same time, you can't really attack "Straight Pride" because the term itself is technically harmless because can't somebody be proud for being straight? I look at it like the institution of religion. You can't fault the religion you can only be upset with those using the vehicle for their own purposes. Which makes the political maneuver all the more insidious. <br /><br />Not sure if it's better to ignore and take the high road approach with the straight pride t-shirts or get upset and say something about the issue because make no mistake it's a brilliant and sneaky strategic tactic. I don't think attacking the t-shirts will accomplish much and if anything giving them attention and the controversy will be free marketing for their bigotry and probably result in them making more money from t-shirt sales. At the same time, the subject needs to be discussed and commented on because it's yet another political power play positioning move from an already privileged majority group. <br /><br />The main way for teh gays to reach an acceptable level of political integration in mainstream society is ultimately going to depend on getting a large segment of the population to understand that we are in fact a disadvantaged minority group that has been marginalized and is in fact a 2nd class citizenship. Ultimately what we are asking for is a degree of equality. The more they paint us as already equal or worse advantaged, the less our chances of achieving our ideal. Generally (i know this is simplistic and the issue is more complex) you can categorize people in 2 groups of ethnics: Those who care about fairness/equality/people being on and equal footing and those who don't. The political opponents that teh gays face is the latter group. Appeals to equality and fairness mean nothing to these individuals. They will appeal to other people though. So it's essentially a war of communication between us and those individuals to get the open-minded fair-thinking group on their side. Society has thankfully been changing but so far, the majority is on their side. <br /><br />The t-shirt move is strong because it builds a bond and a sense of solidarity between the straight supremacists and more open-minded straights that we can't touch while also reinforcing the fact that we are "the other". We're different. We're not like them and don't have that particular bond with them. To those who value difference and diversity it won't matter, but for the impressionable who are swayed by similarities and wanting to be accepted by a group, this is a clever way of freezing us out but in an underhanded and sneaky way.u3q2vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15845017823913752380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-38220029179690362812010-04-13T04:33:19.972-07:002010-04-13T04:33:19.972-07:00Great entry. I've thought about this issue be...Great entry. I've thought about this issue before when it came to "white pride". Much like "straight pride" there is definitely something offensive about it because it's almost like comparing the 2 very different situations of pride for one's majority heritage versus pride in a disenfranchised and normatively marginalized heritage like being an ethnic minority with a past (or even present) of being enslaved, discriminated against, and ostracized for who one is fundamentally at the core. The whole purpose that a lot of ethnic minorities and gay folk even came up with "X pride" was because it was in reaction to an oppressive majority culture that implied or clearly expressed that they were of lower worth. X pride was a way of:<br />(1) Expressing solidarity between one's other oppressed counterparts and<br />(2) Feel a sense of confidence in one's demographic despite it being in the minority or considered "lesser than" in society (i.e. feeling proud of oneself for coming out of the closet and owning their sexuality; being proud of one's Hispanic/African/etc. heritage)<br /><br />With that said, I've thought of this issue in the past when dealing with white pride folk. Much like these straight pride individuals, there are people in the majority who feel like they are the true victims at times and feel that a counter racism goes on. An example would be affirmative action. There were people who felt that it was essentially a racism against whites because it gave certain minority groups advantages when it came to getting jobs or getting accepted into colleges. I think the issue is tough and complicated because something like affirmative action is the byproduct or reaction to previous racism. <br /><br />If you look at the issue from a narrow POV, then yes affirmative action is racist in that it gives certain people advantages in jobs/school simply because of who they are. <br />This is where the counter-racist claim comes from and certain individuals are outraged. If this were all we are looking at, then I would agree that this is unnecessary and unfair discrimination against a majority group. From a larger holistic POV though, affirmative action's purpose was an attempt to promote diversity in certain fields because it wasn't happening naturally or enough due to historical and political social forces. One can't just erase a history of subjugation, discrimination, and marginalization and then look at public policy from an individualistic point of view. With occupational glass ceilings, ghettoized homes due to the white flight into suburbia, the impact of cultural values from the blows of segregation/slavery/etc. to expect a minority group to compete on the same level as a privileged majority group is unrealistic.<br /><br />So it's a tough issue because in this case, a solution to historical racism was probably necessarily discriminatory, but understandably people who are into promoting political policies in their self interest instead of trying to be fair and objective or look out for all of society is to be expected. At the time the debates were going on I was trying to apply for college myself so I can understand. Why should my chances be reduced even though I'm working hard and studying while somebody else could be much lazier but get more points than me on the basis of being born into a certain ethnic group? However I understand the flip side that diversity is in fact needed and what other solution is there to helping expose different groups of people to each other and giving traditionally marginalized communities more opportunities in career/education so that they can create leaders who can help break the positive feedback loop of self-marginalization in their own neighborhoods. It's just one of those tough life issues that has no clear answer and where no solution is perfect.u3q2vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15845017823913752380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-8554611085074134302010-04-13T04:23:45.687-07:002010-04-13T04:23:45.687-07:00Once again, Bryan, You show me why I love you so m...Once again, Bryan, You show me why I love you so much. On this one page you probably showed 4 different sides to this argument. I should make a "Straight Pride" shirt for myself (a "Bi-Pride" would give my little husband a heart attack, so I will leave that alone...)<br />I'd have to put as many reasons as I could possibly think of as reasons that I support my gay friends and why my life is richer and just more down right colorful because of each and every one.<br />The Teabaggers need to go snorkel someone.<br /><br />Your "Little" Friend with many namesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-69536521849300440922010-04-13T00:16:44.737-07:002010-04-13T00:16:44.737-07:00@ the commentor who feels that Jay is in need of g...@ the commentor who feels that Jay is in need of guidance....I think you need to check your own cleverness. What Jay helped me see, is that we can diffuse them by acknowledging the kernal of truth hidden within their mountain of bullshit. The way we respond can either validate the teabaggers pathetic attempt to recategorize themselves as the victims...or we can steal their thunder by acknowledging our support for our straight friends and families. The Tbaggers do not own the history of discrimination to legitimize their claims of victimhood. So we can get our panties in a bunch and give them more fuel for the fires of martyrdom or we can say "you know what? I love the awesome straight people around me", and make the Tbaggers all look like asses.<br /><br />You are correct that the teabaggers did this with bad intentions but I think those intentions are less a direct attack on the gay community so much as an attempt to say "poor me. I'm a disenfranchised straight person. Give me a shirt so I can feel like I'm making a witty statement about that."<br /><br />so please don't attack my husband as if he is mentally incapable of working out all that you put forth. He just doesn't agree with you. Jay is one of the smartest people I know and often comes up with perspectives that I would not have come to myself. He guides me as much as I him.GFVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02950236433262366445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-46558560979768390292010-04-13T00:01:54.611-07:002010-04-13T00:01:54.611-07:00Hey Ervs....you didn't offend. thats just my t...Hey Ervs....you didn't offend. thats just my two cents. I know not everyone feels the way I do about it.GFVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02950236433262366445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-59342394500437372662010-04-12T23:17:48.705-07:002010-04-12T23:17:48.705-07:00I totally agree. Everyday is "straight pride...I totally agree. Everyday is "straight pride day" to them! We only have it for one month!FreakReloadednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-28328741982947536112010-04-12T23:06:07.655-07:002010-04-12T23:06:07.655-07:00Proud my bio child is mine
or how's this one
...Proud my bio child is mine<br /><br />or how's this one<br /><br />Proud I'm married not perverted.<br /><br />Jay is kind of in need of guidance, and when I watch your youtube vids I kind of rest easy that he is with you, Bryan. The guy is full of reactions, not very thoughtful and feels the need to provoke before the need to nurture. Type A, for sure. I couldn't stand it, I'd be such a scold in your shoes. Half cocked and full of "confidence" spells disaster for the others in our lives, gay or straight. THese t'shirts are meant to provoke too. So what if you see through it, many, like insecure closeted teenagers, won't. Still happy with full out assault against us being legitimized? well, you only have your own "cleverness" to blame.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-24968251745210998912010-04-12T22:23:54.635-07:002010-04-12T22:23:54.635-07:00I didn't mean to offend. I just feel the way I...I didn't mean to offend. I just feel the way I love is the most important part of me.Ervshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15913622901401531817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-74283192615204742472010-04-12T21:59:46.650-07:002010-04-12T21:59:46.650-07:00Wow problems posting comments here too.. (just my ...Wow problems posting comments here too.. (just my luck). Anyway, I just wanted to say that I agree with what you expressed through your blog and if these people are gonna use that shirt to put down gay/lesbian people that is just silly and immature.Sharinbyakugannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-265460683344731892010-04-12T21:43:42.885-07:002010-04-12T21:43:42.885-07:00BUT...my sexuality is also a treasure to me. When ...BUT...my sexuality is also a treasure to me. When I was not allowed to live it, I had no idea what I was missing. Then, when I allowed myself to be fully myself it was like seeing in color after only knowing black and white.<br /><br />My sexuality is something I value. something I am gratefull for. If reincarnation is true..than I would deffinitely come back gay again....but I can not in good conscience claim that it is the most important part of me.GFVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02950236433262366445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-20236210451866884672010-04-12T21:43:19.888-07:002010-04-12T21:43:19.888-07:00I fully endorse the creation of any shirt that ann...I fully endorse the creation of any shirt that announces its wearer is a close-minded bigot. It saves me the trouble of getting to know them.<br /><br />I only hope paraphernalia like this helps to marginalize their cause. General public, please don't let me down.Brad "RoughneckGeek"https://www.blogger.com/profile/10846925036209173881noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-81175714316490745012010-04-12T21:38:26.000-07:002010-04-12T21:38:26.000-07:00the reason why I say that being gay is not THE mos...the reason why I say that being gay is not THE most important thing in my life is because I am also alot of other things that do not hinge on my being gay one bit. I am a rabid...and I mean frothing at the mouth rabid...star wars fan. to some thats a trivial thing but it has helped shape the direction my life has taken and contributed to my personality in numerous ways<br /><br />Not only and I a husband and a father but I am also a son/brother/grandson...and I can be that gay or straight.<br /><br />I am spiritual in ways that I don't see my sexuality impacting.GFVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02950236433262366445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-36143233077942546282010-04-12T20:37:43.121-07:002010-04-12T20:37:43.121-07:00well yeah, they are stupid. Let them be. I´m supri...well yeah, they are stupid. Let them be. I´m suprised that it´s written well at this moment. <br />I was looking for a STRAIT PRAIDE shirt really.SwAmPeXhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10929143737620431869noreply@blogger.com