tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post5303758087091265778..comments2024-03-05T23:31:44.106-08:00Comments on Gay Family Values: The Science Of The ObviousGFVhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02950236433262366445noreply@blogger.comBlogger48125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-71729417667205735312012-07-15T01:39:35.581-07:002012-07-15T01:39:35.581-07:00To answer your question, you have to go back to th...To answer your question, you have to go back to the late 1800's. That's when science started to realize that this same-sex attraction thing was a real thing. Since it clearly wasn't the thing of the majority, it required study to understand what brought it about and by extension, how to "fix" it.<br /><br />In many ways, we still don't know how those of us in the GLBT community came to be part of it. Birth order and genetics seem to play a role, but I'm an oldest child and my closest known gay relative is a second cousin.<br /><br />Clearly, there is something different about us and science is still trying to figure out what that is, though it thankfully has realized that those differences are, at worst, neutral for society. Working backwards from how we might behave differently can be a useful starting point, which is where this sort of study comes in; it also helps to substantiate and support past studies about same-sex parenting.Dave Mahonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01277115886417591254noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-69971943253293815462012-07-07T16:58:28.486-07:002012-07-07T16:58:28.486-07:00Hmmmm…………… Booger eating? Good for you, Bryan. ...Hmmmm…………… Booger eating? Good for you, Bryan. This proves you can be even sicker I am! :-D I’m proud of you. :-D For “booger buffet” research to hold up, I say we need both a test group (unsupervised self-munchers) and a control group (would-be self-munchers with heavy parental supervision) to measure the incidence of “chowing down” in both groups. :-D Also, combine it with a longitudinal study to see how extensively this activity is continued into adulthood among both populations. Bon appetite! :-D :-DDavenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-91294686835190090132012-07-07T12:23:15.630-07:002012-07-07T12:23:15.630-07:00Brainbleach imbibed....ok...to answer Steeldrago&#...Brainbleach imbibed....ok...to answer Steeldrago's question. Yes "sleepwalker-esque" can and has happened between the two of us. Once while I was fully awake and Jay was in wierd somatic twilight state. It was all good and normal stuff...nothing coercive. but the tensions and resistances we carry around in the waking state simply were not there so it felt really extra good as there was nothing to block the energy. In the morning I remembered it all...but when i asked jay he claimed no memory of it although he was quite active. It just got relegated to that mental space that all our forgotten dreams go to I guess :/ <br /><br />"homoaffectivity" hmmm...I learned a new word today. Who knew :D<br />BryanGFVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02950236433262366445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-57325937148313586792012-07-07T12:13:33.898-07:002012-07-07T12:13:33.898-07:00Well..you do have to admit that some things we fel...Well..you do have to admit that some things we felt the need to study are head scratchers. Do we feel the need to study how many children will eat their boogers of no adult intervention is applied...or do we just accept that "anecdotal evidence" as fact. Inquiring minds really don't want to know...and now I think I've gone and put myself off lunch :p<br />bryanGFVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02950236433262366445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-71686946818558630412012-07-07T12:05:21.347-07:002012-07-07T12:05:21.347-07:00Mark..I hear you point...however, the differences ...Mark..I hear you point...however, the differences between gay couples are far less than the similarities. and the function of "too tired for sex" has nothing...at all...to do with the sexual orientation of the subjects. That much should be self evident, thus my chagrin that this took a study to prove.GFVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02950236433262366445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-11817375409193081592012-07-07T02:47:12.115-07:002012-07-07T02:47:12.115-07:00meh? it kind of comes back to american puritanical...meh? it kind of comes back to american puritanicalism and what i think is a sexual obsession in our U.S. culture. the focus is not on the nature of the relationship but on the acts involved within the relationship. shifting that focus would be awesome and as long as it does not add to the dumbing down of our society then im all for it. <br /><br />gaming reference: if you know good on you.<br />i am the druid, i can be the wizard and occasionally i cannot help but be an orc.steeldragohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13726804816418609288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-71851169472517857772012-07-06T18:01:25.036-07:002012-07-06T18:01:25.036-07:00Hi Sam,
I have had similar experiences with some ...Hi Sam,<br /><br />I have had similar experiences with some of my posts disappearing. It's not quite as much a hardship me to restore them because, almost always, I compose my comments in my home e-mail program and then paste them in here. So my posts remain saved at home for a while and I can easily paste them back here again if I have one of mine lost. If you do the same as me, reposting lost comments won't be such a pain. It is awfully weird for this to be happening though.<br /><br />On the new "homoaffectivity" term, that DOES sound like a good idea, but I think it would take a big figure in the Gay Movement here to sell it before it can catch on. Perhaps someone like Dan Savage is big enough to pull this off. But I do really like the concept of a term which gets attention off just the sexual part of our relationships and refocuses on the commitment aspects of what we feel for each other. Our sense of commitment is the common link we share with our straight counterparts and, if we can present ourselves more consistently as being good commitment material, as well as continuing to educate others on how sexual orientation is biologically determined, maybe straights will soften their attitude toward us and give us less trouble.Davenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-56089469647027933832012-07-06T05:59:39.434-07:002012-07-06T05:59:39.434-07:00Ok... i didn't understood what happened. I pos...Ok... i didn't understood what happened. I posted, it was wrong, i deleted and reposted, went to sleep, and when i woke up the repost was gone...:(<br /><br />So lets try rewrite it all over again...<br /><br />We all know that the main thing that is missing for those people that don't accept and/or don't understand homosexuality is information, and that when we educate them, most of them become more open minded. Its a rough fight, but we are seeing progress. <br /><br />Here in Brasil, like in many places, there is allot of effort being done to end any kind of discrimination, including sexual. THANKS GOD we have great jurists with very advanced views here. One that is remarkable and that is making a HUGE difference is a judge named Maria Berenice Dias.<br /><br />http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Berenice_Dias<br /><br />"While known as a long-time defender of women's rights, Dr. Dias also became a great champion and fighter on behalf of the human rights of persons of sexual minority; and especially defending the right of same-sex couples, as alternative families, to have their unions officially recognized by the State of Brazil.<br /><br />Dr. Dias always insists in recognizing same-sex couples as family units based on their free, mutual and permanent in nature homoaffectionalism towards one another. This has made her a true pioneer and a beloved friend of the members of the Brazilian Homosexual Movement (Movimento Homossexual Brasileiro) and of the all-encompassing Queer community of Brazil.<br /><br />Besides being a prolific author of books and articles, etc. Dr. Dias also created, co-founded or presided over such organizations as the Brazilian Institute of Family Law (Instituto Brasileiro de Direito de Família/IBDFAM); the Federation of Women’s Associations (Federação das Associações Femeninas/FAF); JusMulher, offering voluntary legal and psychological service to women in need; and the Brazilian Association of Women with Careers in the Justice Field (Associação Brasileira das Mulheres de Carreira Jurídica/ABMCJ-RS)."<br /><br />Besides all that, she has made a huge impact with her book "Homoafetividade - o que diz a Justiça" (Homoaffectivity - what says the Justice), a work in which she gathers and comments the pioneering judicial decisions by the Brazilian Court of Appeals regarding the civil rights of same-sex couples. <br /><br />With that she created the word "homoafetividade" (Homoaffectivity) that is defined as "the emotional relationship between same sex persons, that want recognition of their rights by the formation of the partnership by law, have the right to marry and be able to perform all acts and rights of a natural society, like those of husband and woman, as good manners. The "Homoaffectivity" indicates the presence of a loving bond, where two lives intertwine to participate in a family environment. This interaction will take place obligations, duties and commitment that are the foundation of the family and intends to be recognized as such." <br /><br />This new word is helping to remove the stigma that involved sexual relations of persons of one sex, making recognition of this kind of family. This word now is even in the most recent Brazilian dictionaries, and most of people that are in favor of ending the discrimination prefer to use the word "homoaffectivity" instead of "homosexuality", just to make clear that homoSEXsuality is more than just sex, just because have the word sex within.<br /><br />In fact, what the word "homoaffectivity" is all about is Gay Family Values.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08035638532918751602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-23949626418663171472012-07-05T23:13:59.401-07:002012-07-05T23:13:59.401-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08035638532918751602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-85820105082502212512012-07-05T01:10:39.974-07:002012-07-05T01:10:39.974-07:00anecdotal evidence is routinely scoffed at in the ...anecdotal evidence is routinely scoffed at in the science community. on all topics. research has shown, objectively, that witness statements are unreliable and that holds through in consideration on all experiencial evidence. the issue that strikes me is that when you have significant percentages of that evidence being the same (as you mention here dave) there is something to it despite the fact of its anecdotal nature. <br /><br />i am a firm believer in all things other worldly because of my personal experience, which has been independently verified by others who are sensitive like me but it is not something that can be held in the hand and observed in the lab; it is subjective and anecdotal for all of us, individually. when people i have never met or had any dealings with are seeing and experiencing the exact same thing i have that fits the definition of repeatability and thus verifies my experience as being independent of me despite the nature of that experience.steeldragohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13726804816418609288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-85750555143750130812012-07-04T13:46:26.203-07:002012-07-04T13:46:26.203-07:00Another piece of immensely powerful anecdotal evid...Another piece of immensely powerful anecdotal evidence is a study admitted as an exhibit in the Golinski DOMA trial which, on appeal, the DOMA definition of marriage was found to be an unconstitutional denial of federal equal protection rights. That anecdotal evidence I'm referring to is the percentages of both men and women self-identifying as gay reporting that they had little or no choice in their sexual orientation. For men it was 93 to 94% and for women it was 87%. Different studies may show somewhat different numbers but, in any case, the percentages would always be overwhelmingly high. Wanna blow holes in anecdotal evidence that powerful? I'd like to see you try....Davenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-16415625569228717362012-07-04T12:44:24.736-07:002012-07-04T12:44:24.736-07:00ty it was awesome.ty it was awesome.steeldragohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13726804816418609288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-84296244344553876642012-07-04T12:40:22.109-07:002012-07-04T12:40:22.109-07:00i have known a few of those researchers and some t...i have known a few of those researchers and some things are harder to quantify than others.<br /><br />i also find it amusing that anecdotal evidence is passed off out of hand as unreliable and without value. i get why but to deny the subjectivity of life is half a life.steeldragohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13726804816418609288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-31202262605857040392012-07-04T11:26:56.437-07:002012-07-04T11:26:56.437-07:00................................Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-22297517680425237442012-07-04T04:58:53.970-07:002012-07-04T04:58:53.970-07:00Back to whether or not it is an unnecessary statem...Back to whether or not it is an unnecessary statement of the obvious, most probably any researcher will tell you (repeatedly if you don't stop them) that if you can't measure it, it doesn't exist. <br />To make a messy topic, unmessy, this is what you must do.<br />Nothing wrong with that on the surface I'd say, and then there is the added benefit that once measured and published, we have yet one more talking point.<br />As I've said before, you guys are my heroes and I enjoy hearing how you decide on which path to take as all your paths continue to divide. Well done and always well chosen.Chris R.A. Berryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09941585937000644652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-23351197048166060532012-07-04T00:03:58.556-07:002012-07-04T00:03:58.556-07:00its not so much that it was more graphic as i was...its not so much that it was more graphic as i was just unhappy with it. that is the major reason for me removing anything. albeit, im not a great one i am still a wordsmith.<br /><br />because i am a wee bit shameless (every dude has a dick and every chick has a vag, i frankly see it as childish to be afraid of either on any level)- though i try to be sensitive here to certain sensibilities.<br /> yes i know its not always about fear or shame that someone is modest. while i dont exactly care, per se, i have no problem with modesty and i can be though its odd for me. dancing sky clad can be as important as covering up.steeldragohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13726804816418609288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-79810455846755843192012-07-03T19:51:48.144-07:002012-07-03T19:51:48.144-07:00......................Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-20782966042921573072012-07-03T12:46:57.669-07:002012-07-03T12:46:57.669-07:00I'm guessing he was answering a question I had...I'm guessing he was answering a question I had and his answer might have been more graphic than he wanted to leave posted online. We have each other's direct e-mails now so I'll probably get my answer that way.Davenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-22012716683628423502012-07-03T12:37:23.031-07:002012-07-03T12:37:23.031-07:00Anonymous,
Welcome to our happy abode. If you wa...Anonymous,<br /><br />Welcome to our happy abode. If you want your thirst flushed away with a tall glass of Brainbleach, just let us know! :-DDavenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-84115961037092074812012-07-03T12:16:59.596-07:002012-07-03T12:16:59.596-07:00what did u post that got taken off?what did u post that got taken off?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-66899483139454550522012-07-03T11:06:27.792-07:002012-07-03T11:06:27.792-07:00im sure.
no need to fear, you'd be in good c...im sure. <br /><br />no need to fear, you'd be in good company.<br />including underdog.steeldragohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13726804816418609288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-26272695605896358432012-07-03T07:26:14.755-07:002012-07-03T07:26:14.755-07:00As in you guys you mean DAVE and STEELDRAGOAs in you guys you mean DAVE and STEELDRAGOAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-43458829031716833152012-07-03T01:01:48.079-07:002012-07-03T01:01:48.079-07:00lol, sry ..ish (not really but mebbe).
so, thank...lol, sry ..ish (not really but mebbe).<br /> <br />so, thanks for the 'whoa fellas.' its good to see your line. its kind of ferguson,i will Try to remember that. i will still be mystified though. <br /><br />the waters fine...and warm....and purple..???<br />well colorful anyway. <br />and 'ware the tentacles, they have a mind of their own and no regard for personal boundaries..fun of all kinds if your into that kind of thing.steeldragohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13726804816418609288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-13649939417433126232012-07-02T23:55:15.955-07:002012-07-02T23:55:15.955-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.steeldragohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13726804816418609288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-57655230402790132562012-07-02T23:05:00.463-07:002012-07-02T23:05:00.463-07:00I think I probably scare them away. :-DI think I probably scare them away. :-DDavenoreply@blogger.com