tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post708029072466412849..comments2024-03-05T23:31:44.106-08:00Comments on Gay Family Values: The Family Research Council Shooting...A Little PerspectiveGFVhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02950236433262366445noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-15013625495020647422020-04-24T14:25:32.228-07:002020-04-24T14:25:32.228-07:00Ultimately in the end God decides who gets into he...Ultimately in the end God decides who gets into heaven and he has already designated homosexuality as not getting into heaven. You have your freedom here but try to argue that with God is a loosing battle. To warn you of this is love. Please change your lifestyle quickly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-87690762565836875512014-01-03T12:57:07.499-08:002014-01-03T12:57:07.499-08:00Scott Patronick was my friend and I miss him dearl...Scott Patronick was my friend and I miss him dearly. The two men that jumped him and murdered him were given very light sentences. Joshua J. Dalrymple, 28, and Nicholas J. Yerian, 26, recd max sentences of 12 and 14 years. Guess their lives were deemed more valuable than my friend's.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-26318243135165223102012-09-16T17:19:24.164-07:002012-09-16T17:19:24.164-07:00Yes, I can clearly see that you have voiced your o...Yes, I can clearly see that you have voiced your opinion several times in this article that violence is wrong but when you go on posting pictures of bashed gays and other things, it came across, to me, that you are subconsciously trying to justify what the shooter did.analysis essay exampleshttp://professays.com/essay/analysis-essay-writing-helpnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-84585726872409001632012-08-25T07:54:06.739-07:002012-08-25T07:54:06.739-07:00LOL Dave Tallat had a great time in Manchester h...LOL Dave Tallat had a great time in Manchester he stayed with an awesome YouTube friend BEV. He is one of the sweetest nicest young men I have ever had the honer to know. Take a look at this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Tzw-zEQsrMGFVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02950236433262366445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-76826302377912736642012-08-24T20:54:31.343-07:002012-08-24T20:54:31.343-07:00Hey Tallat,
Are you here? Have fun on your "...Hey Tallat,<br /><br />Are you here? Have fun on your "Right To Love" night? Did you by chance land a "hotel guest" of your own? :-D Did you get a chance to check out the Manchester bear scene? Davenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-72412728148150945082012-08-23T20:03:52.125-07:002012-08-23T20:03:52.125-07:00Maybe I should put on my Roman Emperor
costume, pl...Maybe I should put on my Roman Emperor<br />costume, plug in my electric Roman hand-held harp to my fuzz box, wah-wah pedal and stack of Marshall amps and do some really, REALLY bad kareoki. :-D The construction job got bid out to some rapper BTW. M C Culligula I think! :-D I hope no one is taking my little construction idea seriously though. It was intended only as a potential verbal jab to keep in my arsenal for use only in the most extraordinary of circumstances. Really enjoyed the line about "pulled pork" though....Davenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-81955864532267101192012-08-23T02:42:44.719-07:002012-08-23T02:42:44.719-07:00i mean it, why would a gay person/ally have a back...i mean it, why would a gay person/ally have a backpack full of chik-fil-a there is no need to draw that connection, its already there. and that money would be a counter to all the shooter of conscience here would be attempting. they may not have involved the security guard like that the only way stuff like what im talking about works is for as few people to know about it as possible.<br /><br /> im sure the frc is covering his (the guard's) bills in regards to the shooting if they arent then they are both derelict in their responsibility to their employee and would be overtly showing their true face, at large. <br /><br />im a jaded cynic at times and it makes more sense to me that this fiasco of a shooting was staged. im not privy to anything here but it just does not feel 'legitimate' i guess is the way to say it. the 'gays-are-weak' crowds will believe it because it fits with their stereotypes of gays. volunteering at a friendly center does not an activist or gay person make except to the believers in the frc. <br /><br />i could be wrong. the guy could really be that stupid/deficient. hes certainly not from texas. not to say we dont have our share or stupid though. steeldragohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13726804816418609288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-55261501091155984542012-08-23T02:17:17.899-07:002012-08-23T02:17:17.899-07:00then you'd be the gay nero of the midwest.then you'd be the gay nero of the midwest.<br /><br />steeldragohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13726804816418609288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-79501487681651407562012-08-22T23:17:34.899-07:002012-08-22T23:17:34.899-07:00Yes..that is the new definition of "religious...Yes..that is the new definition of "religious freedom"-the freedom to "hate." I wonder if you put a line though "LGBT people" ind inserted let's say "African Americans" or "Jews" and said the same words.."they are all pedophiles".."they are against GOD" they are "leading our nation to the next step-POLIGAMY!" I wonder if the news media and society treat their words the same? I think not. Jim Stonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12387924451130690320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-3075662447889079522012-08-22T17:34:58.768-07:002012-08-22T17:34:58.768-07:00I haven’t experienced any bullying since junior hi...I haven’t experienced any bullying since junior high and I have never, ever had a bigot getting lippy directly at me in adulthood. I’ve overheard some conversations between others in which homophobic remarks were being exchanged. Yet, hearing what other gays go through has built up a pretty good rage level in me vicariously. So, provided I wasn’t outnumbered, it wasn’t coming from someone at work who has power over me, or it’s coming from just one person who isn’t that big of a guy, if some homophobic bigot started getting mouthy at me, I may well really verbally blow up at him, giving him a very graphic idea of what I think of him and his kind and what I wouldn’t mind see happening to the likes of him. Just as his gay-electric fence preacher hero has designs for us, I might suggest to the bigot mouthing off to me a little construction project of our own. Build a stadium patterned after the Coliseum in Ancient Rome, give housing to some hungry lions and then toss in some bigots for brunch. :-D That could include but certainly not be limited to Mr. Mouthy I’m talking to, Rev. Worley is it (?), Dan Cathy and a few key Republican presidential candidates for good measure. After these “entrees” have been “attended to” by one of our lionhearted “customer care representatives,” though they’ll take on the texture of “pulled pork,” they can at least have the satisfaction that they’ll retain that classic flavor of Chick-Fil-A, the bigot food of champions! :-D :-D Who knows… after coming on that strong, the bigot who was originally flapping his jowls at me might end up being a little scared of me, which is fine by me. “We’re breaking ground tomorrow. Feel free to come by and check out the worksite!” :-D Yes, I can do black humor too….Davenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-62792375710438777032012-08-22T16:33:49.972-07:002012-08-22T16:33:49.972-07:00A Tony Perkins -- Floyd Corkins conspiracy? Of co...A Tony Perkins -- Floyd Corkins conspiracy? Of course, I should have seen it all along! :-D How much did the security guard need to be paid under the table to serve as bait? :-DDavenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-8597750070876040402012-08-22T16:08:08.562-07:002012-08-22T16:08:08.562-07:00it is perfectly normal and very human to feel this...it is perfectly normal and very human to feel this way..and my opinion is very clear below. it is a sad sad thing that people get so self righteous and convinced of their own correctness that they are willing to not only be blind to the truth when it is presented for them to learn but that they are willing to actively create lies to justify their own delusions. <br /><br />whats worse is that you then have people like tony perkins who act to profit from and self promote from that tendency..his downfall is and will be from drinking the kool-aid he helps create. no one should help him by making him a martyr. the truth will be a hammer that crushes him and his cause we merely need to be willing to not let him/them hide it. steeldragohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13726804816418609288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-90381718876788910932012-08-22T15:31:31.808-07:002012-08-22T15:31:31.808-07:00some people need killin', its a sad and undeni...some people need killin', its a sad and undeniable truth. that said, if you're going to be the left hand of God on a matter dont be a moron about it. do not interfere with the right hand and do it as effectively as possible. <br /><br />it would be an interesting turn if the whole thing was staged to make the frc a victim. its just too easy a thing and no one got killed (which is good). he took a loaded weapon into a known hate group and opened fire 'at random' into the lobby where he had to have known security guards were present. that is retarded man in action unless it was staged. <br /><br />so no i dont understand what this guy was thinking. if your going to kill people then do it; if you are going to take that step make sure that it has value beyond what you do..it is still a life you are taking.<br /><br />i understand, in ways most people and most of my friends dont comprehend, the blind rage that may have fueled his ineptitude. there are better ways to do things than what he did. on both sides of the coin. steeldragohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13726804816418609288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-89995192053137447392012-08-22T14:50:40.344-07:002012-08-22T14:50:40.344-07:00that is the rub though, when a person is so caught...that is the rub though, when a person is so caught up in their hate spewing all they can see is hate and they cannot see beyond that hate to anything reasonable like probable outcomes..and people need few enough reasons to kill, maim or destroy one another as it is. <br /><br />i am all for holding people accountable for lies they spread, people forget its called propaganda and it always has a purpose. <br /><br />a funny thing about free speech, if someone knowingly spread lies in written or verbal form, if the targets can show loss and tie it to those lies then free speech protections do not protect the person/organization spouting those lies. the reason these organizations hide behind religious protections as well is because the government stays out of the majority of cases involving the expression of religion, its a tricky thing. steeldragohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13726804816418609288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-73719665767547450682012-08-22T02:33:45.197-07:002012-08-22T02:33:45.197-07:00Brian, have you seen ZJ's new you tube on this...Brian, have you seen ZJ's new you tube on this subject? It is great. Thanks for your perspective.Chris R.A. Berryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09941585937000644652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-72754898111325981122012-08-22T02:25:51.574-07:002012-08-22T02:25:51.574-07:00Come on, they're both eye candy and they both ...Come on, they're both eye candy and they both express themselves in their own unique and great ways. That is why we enjoy them both. I agree with your fear of the bias towards the shooter but read a bit more carefully. Eric, I think you'll see that it is a very balanced piece. Cudos Brian.Chris R.A. Berryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09941585937000644652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-49619369933292263842012-08-21T18:24:23.227-07:002012-08-21T18:24:23.227-07:00I agree that what the shooter did was wrong and no...I agree that what the shooter did was wrong and not helpful to us. That is I agree NOW. But I had an entirely different reaction when I first heard of it and a very visceral one. I was at home eating and CNN was on then and, before I heard the details of the shooting—that it was a security guard that got hit and not FRC staff and certainly not Tony Perkins himself—the VERY INSTANT I heard the words “shooting at the Family Research Council,” I INSTANTLY audibly snapped back at the television screen. “Good!” If you’re wondering why I would have that reaction, when my better judgment wasn’t operative at that very moment, all you have to do is look at the gallery of pictures Bryan has provided us of beatings done at the hands of Bible banging fanatics who live for every belch and fart they can manage to get out of their great Imam, Tony Perkins and vermin like him. In this culture war we have now, I can’t help but notice that the majority of the casualties are on our side. So in that “good-judgment free moment” when I exclaimed “Good!” at the TV, it was from a reflexive feeling that it’s high time that our enemy start taking some casualties too. Is this kind of reaction something I’m proud of? Well, no. But I do have a reputation here for unvarnished honesty and I certainly didn’t disappoint on that account here.<br /><br />Actually killing Tony Perkins would be an even worse PR blunder for us. But had that actually happened, I wonder how many more among you here actually might have reflexively exclaimed “Good!” at your own TV screens just as I did above when your OWN better judgment was inoperative in that very unguarded moment? If Rick Santorum had become the Republican nominee, became President, started implementing his medieval anti-gay agenda and was subsequently taken out by someone like Floyd Corkins, wouldn’t your initial reflexive reaction be joy? Wouldn’t that be something you celebrate? Something like “Gay Independence Day”—a July 4th celebration specifically for us? Didn’t you feel a sense of satisfaction when Jesse Helms and Jerry Falwell died although maybe you didn’t express it aloud to anyone else? Don’t you think black people in fact will and probably even should celebrate the death of David Duke, whenever that occurs? Wouldn’t you expect the Jews who were liberated by Moses to rejoice at hearing news of the death of Pharaoh, who enslaved them? All I’m saying is that it’s natural and human to rejoice at the passing of a hated, high-profile oppressor who has done great damage to you and your people. Is feeling that way something to be proud of? No. Will your better judgment come back to you once you’ve cooled down? Probably. But in the deepest, darkest crevices of our souls, I think we feel this way, at least initially. I am one who can admit it. Are you? <br /><br />Getting back to the FRC and the shooting, I wouldn’t give the FRC a millisecond to breathe and pause at all in endlessly outing them for the hate group they are and the facilitators of assault and murder of gays. The perpetrators of these crimes have their own Usama ben Laden in Tony Perkins. Ben Laden didn’t personally pull triggers any more than Tony Perkins does. But both, by their very presence, inspire others to do it.<br />Davenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-85917767558448940532012-08-21T04:28:39.289-07:002012-08-21T04:28:39.289-07:00Love the article and your youtube channel also.
...Love the article and your youtube channel also. <br /><br />Honestly, for the first five seconds, I didn't like the article because, I skimmed it and it looked really long and you began with saying that violence is never the answer which is correct, but I was thinking that the later half of this article was going to be biased towards the gay community and you might try to justify or sympathise with the shooter and that is just plain wrong. However, I'm glad that I stand corrected for the next five seconds or so.<br /><br />Instead, you went on about the errors in Brown's speech, so I was pleased because what you said reverberated in me. These people really have a way with words and we need people like you to point that out.<br /><br />However, the rest of the article was filled with how hateful NOM really is, unlike what Brown claimed. Despite how true it is, the article seems to be subconsciously leaning towards the shooter. Yes, I can clearly see that you have voiced your opinion several times in this article that violence is wrong but when you go on posting pictures of bashed gays and other things, it came across, to me, that you are subconsciously trying to justify what the shooter did. The tone of the article in the middle just didn't sit well with me.<br /><br />Then again, overall, I like the article because you nailed it with NOM's agenda and the solid closing argument at the end changes the tone of the article back to what it should be. Kudos to you.<br /><br />Btw, clearly you are more eloquent than Jay is but it is always Jay who dominates the youtube (depfox) channel when you're having the couple sessions. Jay speaks most of the time and when you're given a chance to speak out, he jabs in back very quickly and you take a step back to let him finish what he's saying. Personally, I would very much prefer if you have at least half the say in those videos where you both are present.<br /><br />I understand that it is Jay's channel; I'm just making a guess here based on your youtube name which is probably an abbreviation of Jay's occupation and surname, Deputy Foxtroff or something like that. However, from the posts here, I can clearly see that you present a better thought out voice/argument in sensitive topics like these so I would very much like to see more of you in your youtube channel. Couple sessions are always great because have differing views from two people makes the video more interesting but I honestly don't mind if you have more solo videos too because honestly, you are an eye candy. ;p<br /><br />Jay, if you're reading this, sorry. :)Ericnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-55042263001239235762012-08-20T16:22:10.800-07:002012-08-20T16:22:10.800-07:00I would not jump for joy if Perkins or Sprigg were...I would not jump for joy if Perkins or Sprigg were murdered, though i won't feel sadness or pity for them either. I would much rather Perkins and all the other bigots be held accountable and be shown for what they really are in hope to reveal that everything they said about LGBT people were not just lies, but extremely harmful because it caused people to murder people who are gay or "who look gay" or have youths kill themselves because of their sexuality. To murder them would only make bigots paranoid into believing that they were right. Anger and aggression is never the answer. It clouds your mind and judgment. As much as it disgusts me and angers me that Perkins considers gays = nazis/pedophiles/criminals/or anything bad. But i know it won't do to commit violence and the best course of cation would be to proof them wrong which is what i'm doing in my blog and what Jay and Bryan are doing in their blog and youtube videos. There are many others doing this too. Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04774323687657622099noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-15889912743342754752012-08-20T15:49:52.524-07:002012-08-20T15:49:52.524-07:00It is wrong what the shooter did not question, but...It is wrong what the shooter did not question, but to try to use that weasel out of the title of Hate Group which is what you actually are is even worse. <br /><br />There is no question that the FRC is and has always been a hate group and their target of choice is the gay community. The spread outright lies about the LGBT people and use their influence to do it at the highest most respected levels. That they accepted us to pretend because they put on a nicer facade then other hate groups like the KKK to say they are not a hate group is patiently ridiculousness.<br /><br />They are responsible for the anti gay climate that still prevails this country, a climate in which people think that it is OK to attack gay people to beat them up and to kill them for simply being gay. It is the culture that allows parents to throw their kids out of their home for coming out to them and still think and be seen by others as being good parents when in fact they are heartless and have failed miserably at being parents the moment that they throw their child on to the streets/and out of their lives. They make use out to be less then human and not diserving of the same respect and rights that any other humanbeing is due. They create the climate that leads gay youth to the tragic decision of ending their own lives. They have the blood on their hands maybe not directly but because of their actions, of the many LGBT youth that kill them selves (and how many more are out there that never make it into the news) and of LGBT people (and even those suspected of being so) that are beat up and even killed!! <br /><br />What else do you call a group other then a hate group that gose over seas and supports laws to kill gay people, and that back home wants the courts to re-criminalize being gay, that works against gay rights and that seeks to turn back the hands of time every chance that it gets? If they where doing the same thing with race they would be called out on it in a heart beat but because they are waging this war against the LGBT they are not called out on it by the powers that be instead even the press has then on as the counter view to that of LGBT equality!! IF they had their way anti sodomy laws would be back on the books and raids of gay bars would be back to, their goal is to ether eradicate us, or to force us back into the closet. Yet when we voice our objection it is an attack on them and an infringement on their freedom of speech and religion!<br />I could go on but I won't. aNorthWestViewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03598507140332496283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-25498135101863484982012-08-20T11:30:57.822-07:002012-08-20T11:30:57.822-07:00Interesting post. I am of the opinion that Corkins...Interesting post. I am of the opinion that Corkins had no plan in this one. I mean seriously, had he planned he just would have waited until lunch time. From there you could just pick off your targets. And if he'd taken down Sprigg or Perkins I would have jumped for joy!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-42936775300898786112012-08-20T10:54:19.772-07:002012-08-20T10:54:19.772-07:00I am all for "free speech" but when you ...I am all for "free speech" but when you deliberately tell lies about an entire segment of the population to whip up hate and demonize them then you should be held accountable somehow-perhaps legally for the results.<br />I felt the same way a couple years ago when Bill O'Reilly on his radio and TV kept going on about "George Tiller the baby killer" (George Tiller was the physician in the Midwest who was performing LEGAL abortions) and a crazy gunman came into Dr. Tiller's church on a Sunday and murdered him. Did Bill O'Reilly murder Dr. Tiller? No..he did not but he planted a seed of rage in an obviously disturbed human being. People need to be held accountable for spewing hate especially when they know the results will probably end in tragedy..Jim Stonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12387924451130690320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-11345011951431257252012-08-20T08:40:40.101-07:002012-08-20T08:40:40.101-07:00Confidential to Tony Perkins: If you look like a s...Confidential to Tony Perkins: If you look like a snake, slither like a snake, hiss like a snake and bite like a snake, don't claim to be a mongoose.<br /><br />If a black person walked into the headquarters of the KKK and opened fire, how would we expect other black people to react? How would we expect white people to react? I suspect it would be somewhat different from how gay and straight people have rected in this case, and yet the FRC and KKK aren't really so different.<br /><br />Granted, the FRC doesn't actively go out and lynch gay people (as far as we know) but they do effectively advocate in favour of the state doing just that by supporting "kill the gays" bills, and similarly they are morally responsible for the deaths of untold numbers of LGBT teens who take their own lives because of the hatred and discrimination that FRC and others like them encourage.<br /><br />However there is one key area in which it can be said that the FRC is morally worse than the KKK. The Klan is honest about the fact that their racism is based purely upon animus. The FRC's homophobia is likewise based on simple animus, but they go to phenomenal lengths to hide the truth from the public.Tavdyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10109151555493408645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-63703558086702602992012-08-20T06:56:16.328-07:002012-08-20T06:56:16.328-07:00Good article. I wasn't aware of this shooting...Good article. I wasn't aware of this shooting but I was wondering if something like this would happen, but I was expecting it to happen at a Chick-Fil-A establishment. I don't defend the shooting, that's not right, but I can understand it. When you have these HATE groups out there such as the FRC and NOM, organisations whose goals are to spread lies and hate about gay people, I find it hard to pity them when such a horrific incident befalls them.BearPaulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05770628127767174925noreply@blogger.com