tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post8383824827670252413..comments2024-03-05T23:31:44.106-08:00Comments on Gay Family Values: Civil Rights and Gay Rights March Together in the life of Bayard RustinGFVhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02950236433262366445noreply@blogger.comBlogger44125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-78609430743808681162012-04-11T11:04:07.893-07:002012-04-11T11:04:07.893-07:00ummmm. . . .WOW!!! as an inappropriate troll, not ...ummmm. . . .WOW!!! as an inappropriate troll, not even i would have asked what bryan and jay do specifically-yes i want to know but seriously that's their bizness. there are beautiful pictures of kids smiling in the background...take a moment please! love and hugs to all. i have noticed that there seems to be a tipping point on this stuff, its almost as though this is a right of passage on the internet...sort of and it depends on the topic in question too. i could be wrong im no expert on the interwebz.steeldragohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13726804816418609288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-75754947607877125942012-04-08T11:08:30.625-07:002012-04-08T11:08:30.625-07:00Well, I think what happened here was a one-time ab...Well, I think what happened here was a one-time aberration not likely to happen again. I hope there aren't any lingering hard feelings. I think you and I get along just fine now and I tried to defend you the best I could. Maybe with my new-found negotiating skills I can get a job at the United Nations. :-DDavenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-18166354723164099562012-04-07T16:57:49.810-07:002012-04-07T16:57:49.810-07:00After all thats gone on this page, I honestly don&...After all thats gone on this page, I honestly don't even remember how I got here or even why I'm still here..lolRoss Conradnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-48882233059458923802012-04-06T04:54:19.722-07:002012-04-06T04:54:19.722-07:00Ross,
I’ve been curious about something for some t...Ross,<br />I’ve been curious about something for some time but, with all the craziness that’s gone on with this thread, I just didn’t think it was safe to ask. It’s feeling calmer now, so maybe it’s safe to ask you now. Some folks here have suggested you might be gay yourself, which would make your presence here make sense, but you say you’re not and I believe you. Don’t get me wrong, I think and I believe most people here think you should be welcome here too as long as you treat people with kindness. But it seems there has to be something going on that makes you interested in us in the first place. And I assume if you’re here that you’re also watching the Depfox channel. Apart from some rough language here and there, I’m not feeling that you’re much of a hater. Are you a social justice crusader? Or do you have family members, friends or coworkers who have come out to you and maybe being here helps you to understand them better and get a better grasp on what it means to be them? If you don’t mind me asking, what is it that brings you to us in the first place?Davenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-55406499705584530972012-04-05T20:27:34.260-07:002012-04-05T20:27:34.260-07:00Your opinion on my religion is irrelevant to me; I...Your opinion on my religion is irrelevant to me; I honestly don’t care to what you or anyone else have to say about it. One thing is just because I’m Mormon don’t assume I practice or will practice polygamy, The LDS church has no association with that practice, we all believe love should be divided and not multiplied. I mean aren’t you the one who wanted have relations with those two men though? I mean I don’t really have anything else to say really so yea……………Ross Conradnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-24015146111819081532012-04-05T16:59:55.146-07:002012-04-05T16:59:55.146-07:00Ross is on eastern time and could be busy with the...Ross is on eastern time and could be busy with the kids, putting them to bed, etc. It's now 6:50 pm central time. So Jamie, I wouldn't get too confident just yet that you won't hear from him although I still hope he'll take my advice and not engage with you any further. Jamie, you're much toned down compared to before--the only place to go is down from there--but asking him if he's going to stop being a Mormon could still be interpreted as trying to provoke him. You need to chill 100%. Considering what all has happened on this thread, any references to his religion of any kind need to be regarded as radioactive. It's a place you need to stop going, period, or we'll have no peace here.Davenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-43403762900795684012012-04-05T08:48:06.452-07:002012-04-05T08:48:06.452-07:00No comments from Ross, the wicked flee, right lol
...No comments from Ross, the wicked flee, right lol<br />I just wanna say I do like Mormons..well when Byu is playing Alamba, I do..lol, fuck you Saban...hey Ross do you want a Coke...I know you do....Hey Ross, will you every stop being a Mormon...???Jamienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-63059226880648906632012-04-05T03:36:10.441-07:002012-04-05T03:36:10.441-07:00Jamie,
Enough is enough! You've got to stop ...Jamie,<br /><br />Enough is enough! You've got to stop this! You've gone way WAY too far.Davenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-63693358296484526982012-04-05T01:49:00.394-07:002012-04-05T01:49:00.394-07:00Deuteronomy 4:2 “You shall not add to the word whi...Deuteronomy 4:2 “You shall not add to the word which I command you, nor take anything from it.” (it=the bible)...that what the book of mormons is an add-on..whos sinning now...and wait wait did you know about your founder he was a what finish it for me okay 33rd degree....... tell me okay he was a 33rd degree what..lol ummmmm...look in the mirror tell me whos siningJamienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-49116056875309190282012-04-04T22:44:10.228-07:002012-04-04T22:44:10.228-07:00Ross,
I know you’re mega-angry and you have every...Ross,<br /><br />I know you’re mega-angry and you have every right to be. Jamie’s response to you is wildly disproportionate to what you said to him and is uncalled for. The worst thing you could do is try to match him in verbal firepower. I know you’re quite capable, but it won’t make it better. It’ll make it a lot worse. The best thing you can do is ignore him. I’m begging you to hold your tongue. You need to trust me now. We are trying to handle this for you.Davenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-51167224238012561982012-04-04T20:04:35.979-07:002012-04-04T20:04:35.979-07:00I agree with Dave, you need not be attacking him. ...I agree with Dave, you need not be attacking him. I would mirror what Dave has said. Jamie, this does not help with anything by attacking someone.Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04774323687657622099noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-4928372692583622642012-04-04T20:00:01.731-07:002012-04-04T20:00:01.731-07:00Jamie,
PLEASE don’t do this. I spent a lot of ti...Jamie,<br /><br />PLEASE don’t do this. I spent a lot of time and work trying to get Ross not to be angry anymore and get him back to calm and maybe even friendly. We don’t need another flame war here. When he said he needed to throw up, he could have been joking, at least partially. Remember, I made a joke to him about the vomiting thing—his “clean-up” issues--and he responded in kind. That proves he has a sense of humor. Please let this one go this time. To expect someone who’s straight to be captive to a detailed and graphic description of what we might do in private and not feel uncomfortable is simply asking too much. It’s simply too much information for him. Ross supports equality for us and that should be good enough for us. Yes, he’s Mormon, but he definitely does NOT tow the company line and, to his fellow congregationists, and I’m paraphrasing him here, when they rant and rave about gay marriage, his response back is get a life of your own and keep your fucking nose out of other people’s business. Ross is no saint, but he doesn’t deserve this level of abuse.Davenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-8114328774262135312012-04-04T19:23:43.728-07:002012-04-04T19:23:43.728-07:00I agree it got unusually off-topic this time, but ...I agree it got unusually off-topic this time, but it had much better conversational flow, which makes feel more like talking to someone in the flesh. So what ultimately is better? Strictly on-topic comments throughout with a stiffer flow or something that starts on topic but can morph into anything as it gets more naturally conversational feeling? I guess it's in the eye of the beholder. I personally like it more natural and conversational feeling, but we did have some unusually volatile parts this time.Davenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-25750395765102770182012-04-04T18:27:52.609-07:002012-04-04T18:27:52.609-07:00^ I have a friend named Michael Hardy, he plays th...^ I have a friend named Michael Hardy, he plays the trumpet..... hardin, hardyRoSs CoNrAdnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-24064017581246247822012-04-04T17:50:52.412-07:002012-04-04T17:50:52.412-07:00looks like Bryan is gonna have to do some heavy mo...looks like Bryan is gonna have to do some heavy moderating on his blog from now on.Michael Hardinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09610160406709197670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-21985301811920312662012-04-03T22:25:13.556-07:002012-04-03T22:25:13.556-07:00Here's what we do: I make a bag of REALLY but...Here's what we do: I make a bag of REALLY buttery and cheesy popcorn in the microwave. We take it into the family room and make sure there is a fire in the fireplace and perhaps open a bottle of wine and then we watch an episode of "Star Wars" that we both have probably seen a hundred times..and then we go to bed.. You should try it..it is ORGASMIC! :)Jim Stonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12387924451130690320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-77417145938918540842012-04-03T21:01:49.571-07:002012-04-03T21:01:49.571-07:00Oh gosh I thought I got all of it…..I feel so emba...Oh gosh I thought I got all of it…..I feel so embarrassed nowRoss Conradnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-4148949759212123342012-04-03T18:58:17.964-07:002012-04-03T18:58:17.964-07:00BTW did you finish the vomiting you said you neede...BTW did you finish the vomiting you said you needed to do? There's a spot of up-chuck on your lower lip righthand side that you need to wipe off. :-D :-D<br /><br />Yes, I have a sense of humor....Davenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-79206971897943971422012-04-03T18:51:50.735-07:002012-04-03T18:51:50.735-07:00" but anyways I'm just saying I wouldn&#..." but anyways I'm just saying I wouldn't use a word or a pharse that is or is similar to a word or pharse that offends you.. I mean thats how you gain alot of haters lol"<br /><br />Well, that's what I learned from you. Most times I type "hetero" is because I'm lazy about always typing out the entire word. I normally don't use it as an epithet anyway and wasn't using it that way although I can now see how conceivably it could feel that way. To someone's face, if it ever came up, I would more likely say "straight" more than anything else. Don't think it would occur to me to call them "hetero" in that situation. I don't think I'd say "heterosexual" to their face either because it feels too clinical to me. I don't particularly like "homosexual" as a term either for the same reason. If we have to use labels at all, "gay" is most comfortable for me.<br /><br />I take it then that we are now at peace and can get along now....Davenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-85389974323973484242012-04-03T18:06:24.182-07:002012-04-03T18:06:24.182-07:00Dave
I wasn't offended by you calling me a &q...Dave <br />I wasn't offended by you calling me a "hetero", I mean I just don't give fuck lol , I don't care about alot of things actually, but anyways I'm just saying I wouldn't use a word or a pharse that is or is similar to a word or pharse that offends you.. I mean thats how you gain alot of haters lol..<br />Jamie- oh my gosh...really...really. I mean..really. I'm kinda scared now..I think I'm going to have to blow my eyes out of my head like..just wow..was that really necessary at all. Like.. come on just..just unnecessary..will bye now I have to go throw upRoss Conradnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-43337256300865683882012-04-03T15:20:48.795-07:002012-04-03T15:20:48.795-07:00*Facpalm* I deeply apologize to you Bryan, please ...*Facpalm* I deeply apologize to you Bryan, please forgive me. As Dave has said, that is not what i meant. I thought i was perfectly clear; their relationship is none of your business.Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04774323687657622099noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-28584712199949130242012-04-03T15:12:43.887-07:002012-04-03T15:12:43.887-07:00Wow, what an off-topic nightmare this thread has b...Wow, what an off-topic nightmare this thread has become. I suppose I bear some of the blame for this, but I never forsaw it getting quite this free-form. You might have misinterpreted Tim's comment because he definitely wasn't asking you to spell out what you do and probably was hoping that you wouldn't. If you saw Episode 9 of Ask A Gay Family on the depfox channel, you would know that their relationship is closed and you shouldn't expect to be invited in and they definitely will NOT appreciate your question.Davenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-66772838428118449072012-04-03T09:15:51.664-07:002012-04-03T09:15:51.664-07:00Jamie, are you asking that because you want to joi...Jamie, are you asking that because you want to join in? No? Then why do you care what they do in the privacy of their bedroom? Would you want us to ask you what you do in bed? Hmm?Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04774323687657622099noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-71316424869133071532012-04-02T23:20:01.716-07:002012-04-02T23:20:01.716-07:00@Jim
Yes, I am well aware that there are self-hat...@Jim<br /><br />Yes, I am well aware that there are self-hating closet cases out there who do exactly what you describe. But Ross gave a fairly detailed description of himself, even admitting he was a single father—not that there’s anything wrong with that—and even his children’s names. These are the kinds of admissions that to me smack of truthfulness so, in this case, I’m willing to accept him at his word.Davenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-68903175114482416502012-04-02T22:57:40.245-07:002012-04-02T22:57:40.245-07:00Ross C,
Wow! I guess I really offended you, didn...Ross C,<br /><br />Wow! I guess I really offended you, didn’t I? But wading through your blue streak, I discovered something quite unexpected and it’s actually a very pleasant surprise. In all actuality, you already are fairly enlightened and you now sound like you are more in agreement with our side than you are opposed. That’s wonderful! I think your problem at the moment is with me personally. You feel slighted by me in a number of ways, the principle ones being these:<br />1. At one point, I addressed you as “hetero;”<br />2. I either in fact did or appeared to make assumptions of your views solely based on your religion; and<br />3. To you, at least, it appeared I was making unfounded assumptions as to your parenting style or competency.<br /><br />I’d like to respond to these individually. You are correct that we find it offensive when straights address us as “homos.” But what I learned from you today is that there’s a strong likelihood that a straight individual, when being addressed by someone he or she knows to be gay, will feel offended being called “hetero” in the same way as we dislike being called “homos.” I didn’t know this before. But I do now. I’m sorry. I won’t make this mistake again.<br /><br />Next, you felt I made unwarranted assumptions of your views soley on the basis of your religion. In reality, I saw your religion as just one clue. But what I really did was put the religion part together with another key piece of evidence: your dumping of insults on Jay and Bryan when they have done absolutely nothing to you. Those insults actually carried the greater weight with me. Someone who really is a hardcore opponent of gay rights is one I would expect to possibly lurk on this board and then verbally attack Jay and Bryan. When you did that yourself, I don’t know how I could have avoided then assuming you were a raving right winger together with the customary homophobic views, even when it turns out now that you’re not at all. <br /><br />Finally my reference to parenting style, specifically the bit about being an overly-harsh or emotionally aloof father. My reference there was merely reciting a widely known “old wives’ tale” as to things erroneously believed to cause a son to become gay. The theory behind this is that supposedly a father’s relationship with his son is critical to the healthy sexual development of that child and, if that boy is subjected to that kind of parenting style, he will feel a void in his life for male affection and in later years that feeling of loss will become sexualized resulting in his becoming gay. I, in fact, was making no reference to you personally there at all and I certainly had no intention whatsoever to assume anything about how you raise your kids because I have no information on the subject to go on. You may, in fact, be super loving toward your kids and it’s entirely possible in that event that we all should be taking parenting lessons from you. That could well be for all I know. My point of listing parenting styles of either parent, along with other things kids might get exposed to, is to demonstrate that these things are irrelevant in determining sexuality because the child’s biology has already determined that all by itself.<br /><br />I hope you’re not still angry with me. After all, you got an apology out of me for one your grievances, and pretty good clarifications on the others.Davenoreply@blogger.com