tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post1353212168524841668..comments2024-03-05T23:31:44.106-08:00Comments on Gay Family Values: Chick-Fil-A...Hypocrisy, Following The Money, and Utterly Missing The PointGFVhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02950236433262366445noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-54901980196731151382018-01-30T04:42:51.767-08:002018-01-30T04:42:51.767-08:00This is true whether the child is there for their ...This is true whether the child is there for their own medical care or because a loved one is receiving medical care. <a href="https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=22FC8ADADE260499!106&ithint=onenote%2c&app=OneNote&authkey=!AK2U2_z1b74FNto" rel="nofollow">fence contractors thunder bay</a><br />jhonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08258690520992269231noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-62216153715679238772012-08-15T09:48:43.727-07:002012-08-15T09:48:43.727-07:00I find it difficult to understand Americans obsess...I find it difficult to understand Americans obsession with freedom of speech. I mean I understand from your history where it comes from, but I can't wrap my head around how many times it becomes a talking point in your media. I can understand why in countries that where speaking freely could have serious consequences (e.g Saudia Arabia) why it would be an important issue for people lives. But I find it hard to understand when americans stand up for someones right to utter hateful commments. I am not advocating that people who utter these comments be legally punished but that people can respond and disagree without it becoming a 'free speech' issue. <br /><br />This is a big part of why the right wing media was able to twist this story and move away from the point that not only where CFA anti marriage equality but they were actively supporting it through donating to the groups you mentioned. <br /><br />I live in a country with free speech (I am not going to get dragged to jail for openly disagreeing with the government) but I and my fellow Irish citizens dont feel the need to harp on about it all the time! And therefore, if an issue like this came up, we are more likely to be able to focus on the points that matter and not the fact that we are all allowed to talk about it. <br /><br />Point being, if you move away from this free speech issue, you may be able to talk about the important things. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-89406120545699001382012-08-10T17:30:28.941-07:002012-08-10T17:30:28.941-07:00Yea Chick-Fil-A can waster their money on our blog...Yea Chick-Fil-A can waster their money on our blog it just means that many more people who support them wont see their add.GFVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02950236433262366445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-39494438372276723132012-08-10T02:01:31.029-07:002012-08-10T02:01:31.029-07:00I agree with the post. However, I noticed that at ...I agree with the post. However, I noticed that at the top of this page there is an ad for a Chick-Fil-A coupon deal. This seems rather ironic.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-19211322188159288042012-08-09T01:49:25.105-07:002012-08-09T01:49:25.105-07:00Brian nailed it.
It's not about people gettin...Brian nailed it.<br /><br />It's not about people getting their knickers in a twist over some crazy restaurant, it's about a popular company openly stating that it funds hate groups which lobby to take away the rights of lgbt people. The daily show missed the point this time, which surprised me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-11989361534841321792012-08-08T23:31:29.854-07:002012-08-08T23:31:29.854-07:00There's still time for Cathy to fund preacher-...There's still time for Cathy to fund preacher-designed electrified fence enclosures for us. Oh, I keep forgetting, that would be just an exercise of his freedom of speech. I guess that calls for another freedom of speech day flash mob kind of thing outside Chick-Fil-A's by all those fine Christians again. This time they'll all be wearing "Eat mo' chicken, buy mo' fencin' " tshirts.Davenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-45177096406321804482012-08-08T22:55:42.086-07:002012-08-08T22:55:42.086-07:00the money he has paid out demonstrates his hate fa...the money he has paid out demonstrates his hate far better than any words he could ever say. mr cathy sr has been quoted as desiring to fire any employee who is gay, im willing to bet the son is not far behind that himself.steeldragohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13726804816418609288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-23247280211605045332012-08-08T16:37:48.717-07:002012-08-08T16:37:48.717-07:00Great post! You managed to articulate what I have...Great post! You managed to articulate what I have been struggling with since this entire chick-a-tast-aphy began. The man is full of hate, he funds hate, dont give hate any funding.Biki Honkohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06731335682679434307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-1098301977077801622012-08-07T11:24:19.212-07:002012-08-07T11:24:19.212-07:00And the round of applause goes to Brian. Excellent...And the round of applause goes to Brian. Excellent post - very well written and expresses very well what I have been trying to say all along. I just hope that more and more people get to understand that this isn't about freedom of speech at all and there is a big difference between stating your beliefs and funding groups that want to cause harm to us and our families. I hope you are having yourself a good day. Take care.sairynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-74205241994061551232012-08-06T23:23:17.491-07:002012-08-06T23:23:17.491-07:00And Kerner, that is why I would ask you to bravely...And Kerner, that is why I would ask you to bravely put aside your taste for waffle fries and boycott the product and the establishment. Not try and legislate where the establishment can be or what they can sell, but make a statement in solidarity by not consuming. A statement that says you do understand where their income dollars are going. Because those dollars and those donations do make a difference. To all of us. Biology aside, we are not overreacting. Thanks.Chris R.A. Berryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09941585937000644652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-48107439217416663012012-08-06T20:59:40.261-07:002012-08-06T20:59:40.261-07:00Kerner,
Also go back above to Tim's first com...Kerner,<br /><br />Also go back above to Tim's first comment setting out SPECIFICALLY what each group Dan Cathy contributed to is up to and how they propose to harm us, and it goes way beyond "merely" marriage discrimination. This is what your waffle fry purchases are helping to fund. I'm sure any gay family members, friends or co-workers you may have find your concern for their welfare very touching. I take it you're straight, which is fine but just remember that if you had a different birth outcome than what you got, you also would be gay and the harm these organizations Dan Cathy contributes to would be out to harm you to.<br /><br />My last statement probably confused the hell out of you if you aren't familiar with "gay biology." At least for males, a biological cause for gay orientation has been found and if you go to Youtube and do a video search for "epigenetics and homosexuality," you'll get the correct video and everything is explained very clearly. It's an excerpt from a 2008 National Geographic documentary on the subject. Once you see it, you'll understand for yourself that flipping out over someone's orientation is as fucking retarded as having a conniption over someone's eye or skin color. Not saying you flip out that way yourself, because I don't know you. I'm talking about how people at large might react when they are still badly misinformed.<br /><br />This biology stuff is just an aside, but the point of all of this is what the money is funding, how it seeks to hurt people who have characteristics they were born with and cannot help, and NOT about Candy's opinion.Davenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-52855811047136488332012-08-06T17:41:48.143-07:002012-08-06T17:41:48.143-07:00Kerner, did you even read the blog? Also, if Dan C...Kerner, did you even read the blog? Also, if Dan Cathy was just expressing his opinion, no one would have cared. But instead, Dan Cathy chose to spend millions of dollars to anti-gay groups to try and make people be afraid of gays with lies and misrepresentation, to try putting gays in prison or in "ex-gay therapies." There is a group who supports killing gays in uganda that Dan donated money to. Because of those donations, he's trying to push back civil rights and destroy many lives of LGBT people. That is what this is about, not his opinion.Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04774323687657622099noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-65680188139467583992012-08-06T16:38:17.520-07:002012-08-06T16:38:17.520-07:00Dan Cathy said that he's for traditional marri...Dan Cathy said that he's for traditional marriage; he never said that he hated gay people or that they weren't allowed inside any Chick-Fil-A restaurant in the country. The man's entitled to his own opinion, just like everybody else. If you ask me, I think the gay community's being a little over-dramatic with this one. I don't give a fuck what he's for as long as I get my fucking waffle fries I'm good to go.Kernernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-17652769297249173762012-08-06T11:05:14.934-07:002012-08-06T11:05:14.934-07:00I have never been so upset with the mainstream med...I have never been so upset with the mainstream media in this country this past week. They twisted this entire story. I wish they would have shown the Ali Forney Center in New York. It is a homeless shelter for LGBT teens that end up on the streets because their good "Christian?" families have kicked them out. These "Christians?" believe all of the hate and misinformation these hate groups put out there-the very groups that Cathy supports financially. Don't be surprised if Cathy comes out of the closet someday. Closeted gay people make the biggest homophobes...Jim Stonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12387924451130690320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-76311610312533483732012-08-05T10:01:47.644-07:002012-08-05T10:01:47.644-07:00You know Crab....I have to admit that I was surpri...You know Crab....I have to admit that I was surprised as hell when Bostons mayor made his statements. Prior to that NO ONE outside the gay community was paying attention to this. SO...no. I don't think they can block them and not look like utter hypocrites themselves. However, It does help to have the mayor of your town make public statements of opposition(even if he cant back them up) because I reminds the public at large that this is not just a gay issue.<br /><br />And I still find myself wondering if people would still be lining up for CFA if the group they were working against were some other minority. Somehow I just don't think they'd get the same support if they were working to discriminate against the African-American community...or the Hispanic community.<br /><br />Then when a mayor of a city said,"you can't do business here", they might actually applaud. But because it's us gays they cry "fowl" and start clucking about first ammendment rights<br />BryGFVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02950236433262366445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-7167912421638682942012-08-05T08:48:15.055-07:002012-08-05T08:48:15.055-07:00Bryan, A heartfelt and well written blog. I'm...Bryan, A heartfelt and well written blog. I'm just not yet convinced, unfortunately, that the issue is not first amendment rights . Of course we have the right, not to mention the moral obligation, to boycott the product of a business that boycotts our basic human rights. BUT--- as Jon Stewart points out in his sardonic but unfortunately accurate assessment, the mayors of Boston, Chicago and San Francisco do not have the right to refuse to allow Chick-Fil-A to do business. And that is because to block them today gives those mayors precedent to block one of our businesses, or a business that support us (you cited Starbucks) in future. There is everything right with boycotting the existing business franchises, advertising the spending breakdown of their income dollars, helping to find NEW jobs for the LGBTs actually stuck working for the monsters, and generally continuing to educate the masses as you do in every moment of your lives--- by setting the perfect example. But there is nothing right about abridging anybody's rights, anywhere or anytime no matter how difficult that is to swallow. (Me, I don't think I'll be able to swallow ANY chicken sandwich, ever again.)Chris R.A. Berryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09941585937000644652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-8727504398311929232012-08-05T06:46:12.992-07:002012-08-05T06:46:12.992-07:00Dear Bryan,
there’s more Holy Spirit in you than ...Dear Bryan,<br /><br />there’s more Holy Spirit in you than in any of those alleged CFA Christians. I mean it. To be honest, I hate the fact it gets boiled up to a war of opinions. But stating YOUR opinion in a civilized way (like here in your blog or in any other peaceful protest) is YOUR right and I salute you as a family for sacrificing your time and permanently scratching beneath the surface. It basically boils down to this: they ACTIVELY impact our lives and TAKE AWAY our human rights. As for us, even in protests WE NEVER take theirs. ‘Cause I never saw a LGBT member saying: “Let’s cure the straight” or “The straight should not marry” or “You are not entitled to seeing your wife”. So, dear Leffews, you are nothing but RIGHT. And this post of yours is just amazing.Artjommmhttp://www.youtube.com/user/Artjommm?feature=mheenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-55438871228109162892012-08-05T06:05:17.684-07:002012-08-05T06:05:17.684-07:00In Omaha, the only Chick-Fil-A we have is one the ...In Omaha, the only Chick-Fil-A we have is one the ground floor of the Mutual of Omaha building near downtown. Ironically, Starbucks is in there too. I went to see the protest and to circulate around inside to overhear haters’ comments. Since I happen to be job hunting, I couldn’t allow myself to either be filmed in the protest line or be interviewed by the media so I was very watchful for their presence and, when they were around, I stayed well away from the cameras. I did approach the protest line to say hello when no media were present though.<br /><br />The protest here was very small—perhaps 8 people—and, looking back on it, I’m doubtful as to its effectiveness. Their signs read, “Have a Gay Day Chick-Fil-A,” “Hate Is Not a Family Value,” “Hate Is A Fowl Business Model,” “Honk 4 Equality,” and “Cock Tastes Like Chicken.” The accuracy of that last sign was a bit questionable. It probably would require sprinkles of a new formula of Mrs. Dash to bring out that chicken flavor! :-D :-D Anyway, no sign I recall seeing conveyed anything reflecting that money spent at Chick-Fil-A goes to fund hate lobbying in Congress or that Chick-Fil-A spends its money to actively harm us. And the failure to do that naturally allows the public to think that this is just protesting Chick-Fil-A’s expression of its own corporate opinion, an opinion widely shared by the majority dwelling here in Haters Woodstock of Nebraska.Davenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-68656198266961972942012-08-04T22:52:56.414-07:002012-08-04T22:52:56.414-07:00people are fickle but there will be, as they have ...people are fickle but there will be, as they have for years already, a staunch large group of devoted followers. cult members if you will...(i couldnt resist)<br /><br />i have a cousin who did/does work for them and i really dont know that she understood that the protest was not about Mr Cathy's remarks but about the actual hate he is growing. an ex in the family made the comment that she did not think CFA had ever been in the closet about being antigay, that was also not the point either. we have known, for years, about that. <br /><br />i have tried to be clear that it was not and has not been Mr Cathy's words at issue but his actions that are contrary to christian values and make him in my opinion a zombie worshiping christianazis (they should really drop the 'christian' banner because they aren't 'christ-like' at all). <br />so as always thank you for well thought out words that are not mine and perhaps some others will listen here where they do not to me.steeldragohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13726804816418609288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-69765324065529898332012-08-04T21:43:32.098-07:002012-08-04T21:43:32.098-07:00I wonder what the longterm consequences to Chick-F...I wonder what the longterm consequences to Chick-Fil-A's business will be now that it is firmly branded as the anti-gay chicken sandwich?<br /><br />Perhaps the company has blundered into a lucrative niche market. Large percentages of American consumers actively dislike gays (and in the South, CFA's home territory, that's probably majorities). I say "blundered" because, even though they are funding anti-gay efforts, until recently it was relatively on the down-low. Now, thanks more to Huckabee and the religious rightwing than to anything gays have done, CFA is well known to be anti-gay. As the semi-official winger fast food it may be that CFA will continue to reap benefits. <br /><br />For those who are made uncomfortable by spending money to support an explicitly anti-gay project, however, CFA may begin to taste less yummy. <br /><br />The first Narnia movie was a box office smash, and got a big boost by being adopted by conservative Christians. It was seen as a pro-Christian family movie so churches bused families to theaters. I read reports that something similar happened with the CFA Appreciation Day - buses and independent organizing. The Narnia sequels did not get the same stamp of approval for some reason and box office faded. The last movie barely got made. I'm not saying that people stayed away from the Narnia sequels because they were in any way anti-anything - perhaps they just weren't as fun as the first - on the other hand there was no commitment from the churches to the franchise. Will there be a commitment to CFA? Can CFA bank on the kind of support they saw on CFA Appreciation Day? Color me unconvinced.Glenn Ingersollhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10674475308395975995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-23682357135352805202012-08-04T19:20:09.278-07:002012-08-04T19:20:09.278-07:00This is an excellent post and exactly right! I had...This is an excellent post and exactly right! I had family and friends stand in those lines and they told me it was just standing up for free speech and had nothing to do with their feelings on gay rights. Most of them just listened to Huckabee and the folks stirring up a meme over free speech and didn't understand where the donations were going or how they were often being used to smear folks like us. Of course I was called a liar and all sorts of vile things when I tried to point this out. They can't get past the image of what they see as a fine Christian man. The Cathy's have done lots of great charity work but that doesn't change what the fact that Dan Cathy is now using his influence and wealth to fight against our equal rights. He should find some worth causes where he can really make a difference by helping people in need!Jimhttps://www.facebook.com/jimdicusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-21720694953451544182012-08-04T19:17:08.600-07:002012-08-04T19:17:08.600-07:00I wondered how it turned into a free speech issue ...I wondered how it turned into a free speech issue when it was never about that in the first place. Funny how they make us look like the bad guys...what are they so afraid of?Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05399420061874523153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-89376478669341040522012-08-04T19:13:30.876-07:002012-08-04T19:13:30.876-07:00I can feel the anger in your post and also the lik...I can feel the anger in your post and also the likely conversion in your thinking on the disagreement you and Jay had on the Chick-Fil-A about to go up close to where you live. There’s no time to hold back and investigate whether the local franchise investor knew what he was getting into when he put his money on the line. Unless he’s a complete moron, he knew…. They need to be stopped early on, when it might be easier to do so. So, yes, the new Chick-Fil-A SHOULD be protested against. And Jay shouldn’t go alone. You should go too. I heard you say in your Chick-Fil-A video that you were reluctant to call this a war. But that’s exactly what this is. Fight it for the war it really is. And show no mercy. Your enemy sure doesn’t. A rightwing sack of shit like Cathy who gives large sums to organizations that do us demonstrable harm should be exposed and humiliated whenever and however possible.<br /><br />The following pertains not to Chick-Fil-A but to the larger culture war. What happens in a voting booth. Until we win our rights, most any Republican running either for President, Senate or Congress needs to be regarded as your mortal enemy if you’re gay. Voting for those hysterical Bible banging theocratic fanatics not only is madness if you’re gay, but it also makes you a traitor to your own people. If you’re already out to family and friends, tell them that Republicans with power are out to harm you and that’s why you despise them and won’t vote for those bastards. Tell those family members and friends that if they vote for those bastards in the current climate, they are voting to harm you directly because, once elected, that’s exactly what will happen. Hurting the gay community in any way possible is the ultimate blood lust of any true conservative Republican at that level of power.Davenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-69370444376459251892012-08-04T19:11:13.473-07:002012-08-04T19:11:13.473-07:00Thank you! I have been trying to tell friends and...Thank you! I have been trying to tell friends and family this exact thing for quite a while now. It is about where the money goes and what that means. It isn't about free speech and yes, buying a chicken sandwich really does mean you are literally supporting hate. Because when you buy that chicken sandwich, your money is becoming part of their money, and this is what they do with their money.WhistlinDavehttp://www.youtube.com/whistlersbrothernoreply@blogger.com