tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post1704123572394395338..comments2024-03-05T23:31:44.106-08:00Comments on Gay Family Values: NOM...Rhode Island, and GriefGFVhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02950236433262366445noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-41973198766823569572010-01-05T13:13:28.692-08:002010-01-05T13:13:28.692-08:00We are also very sorry for your loss Dan. I don...We are also very sorry for your loss Dan. I don't even like to imagine the possibility that one of us could pass. I go into emotional overload just THINKING about it. I can't imagine how hard it must be for you....thank you for taking the time to tell your story here...<br /><br />BryanGFVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02950236433262366445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-68959954027356383032010-01-05T10:36:19.997-08:002010-01-05T10:36:19.997-08:00Dan..I am so sorry for your loss. I am glad all o...Dan..I am so sorry for your loss. I am glad all of the legal nonsense did not affect you.Jim Stonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12387924451130690320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-26788525433680696392010-01-05T01:25:24.518-08:002010-01-05T01:25:24.518-08:00When my husband was diagnosed with a brain tumor i...When my husband was diagnosed with a brain tumor in 2007 we became very worried about the possible problems, such as these you noted, so I rushed to the Secretary of State office here in San Francisco. At the time we were living together, but had not registered our partnership. When California opened the door to marriage, we were able to legally wed. Yet while on our honeymoon we learned about the outcome of Prop 8, and began to worry again. We had an attorney draw up all possible legal documents that would assist us.<br /><br />My husband died on September 13, 2009. Because our marriage remained in tact, I was able to proceed with all arrangements without question. It is difficult enough to lose the love of your life without having to be questioned, and turned away, at every turn. <br /><br />Thank you for writing about this subject. Obviously, it is something close to my heart.Danhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02218009891182171803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-64048580318743948482010-01-05T00:10:16.708-08:002010-01-05T00:10:16.708-08:00Vetoing or blocking by other means measures like t...Vetoing or blocking by other means measures like the one in Rhode island is petty.<br /><br />These politicians must do it because they see it is a cheap vote winner. An easy way to make them selves more popular with a large part of the electorate.<br /><br />I wonder if they are right? I have been to Rhode Island. It seemed like the people were pretty liberal.orangegoblin82noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-32435698273170650542010-01-04T17:04:10.861-08:002010-01-04T17:04:10.861-08:00And another issue I wanted to address a little.
I...And another issue I wanted to address a little.<br /><br />I understand the importance of fight for marriage equality, I'm right there with you, guys, but while we're still fighting we realize how far we are from the moment of truth in the United States, from the moment when same-sex marriage will be available in every US state and when it would be recognized by the federal government. So, while we wait time flies and things happen, life happens. I say why not try to collect some pertinent information on what we already can do in every state to provide ourselves with the rights we would be entitled to anyway were we legally married to our life partners with the whole package of rights and benefits?<br /><br />We've heard things like <i>power of attorney</i>, <i>medical proxy</i>, <i>living will</i>, <i>designated funeral-planning agent</i>, and whatnot... I'm sure there are lots of legal mumbo jumbo stuff we don't even know, but all that stuff states you shouldn't be turned away when usually only family members are allowed to be present somewhere, to make decisions about their loved ones, etc.<br /><br />So, if anybody knows good websites dedicated specifically to explaining legal ways to substitute some rights and benefits with legal agreements that give people these rights, I think it would be a great addition to the set of links on <a href="http://www.gay-family-values.com/" rel="nofollow">Gay Family Values website</a> to recommend your readers who may decide to consider it. But if there is no such website, maybe we should try to gather some of this information ourselves, like you did about adoption in different states? After all, it's also a family issue, as important as adoption.<br /><br />Mayhaps you should even make a video request about that? Maybe people who had a real experience with this kind of legal issues could share their stories / links / any info? Maybe there are lawyers who subscribe to <a href="http://youtube.com/depfox" rel="nofollow"><i>depfox</i> channel</a>, they could really help us with that stuff? All it takes is a list of things that could be done to ensure some specific rights, at least the essentials like <i>power of attorney</i> and <i>medical proxy</i> (I'm not really familiar with the US legislation, so, probably I'm using the wrong words).<br /><br />Just a suggestion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-13014961937231786882010-01-04T16:59:37.412-08:002010-01-04T16:59:37.412-08:00It is unspeakable to treat people with the power o...It is unspeakable to treat people with the power of attorney this way. No one is under the illusion that it is not because these people are gay. Unfortunately, even when same-sex marriage will be in place in the USA, even on the federal level, we still would have to read about such occasions because no law can change people's minds. We can amend laws and even the Constitution, but not the Bible.<br /><br /><br /><br /><b><i>Real NOM agenda exposed!</i></b><br /><br />NOM never made much sense to me (I don't understand why people should worship the Bible, declare they believe every word of it, and then spread hatred which goes against the most important ideas of the Bible, the ones that are much more important than this little issue of homosexuality which is barely mentioned in several passages clearly written by the same people who justified slavery and racism). Anyway, now NOM makes even less sense. Basically, in that letter they say (my comments in square brackets): “<i>See what happened in other states? Supreme Courts of those states decided that homosexual people are, in fact, people who have the same rights as we do</i> [wow! we do? really?]<i>, so they deserve to be treated equally, and their unions deserve to be equally recognized, just without calling them «marriages.»</i> [OK, since the state is divided from the church, there's no secular reason not to recognize same-sex unions themselves if gay people form loving, committed, stable sexual couples, much like married couples.] <i>The recognition of same-sex couples led to introduction of additional laws to mimic opposite-sex marriage by giving them the most important rights and benefits married couples enjoy.</i> [Makes sense, right? There's no reason not to do so.] <i>And after expanding all those rights to the point when civil unions factually became equal to marriages in the eyes of those states</i> [legally there were no major differences between civil unions and marriages when it comes to rights and benefits provided by the state only]<i>, those courts decided there is no secular reason not to declare them the same thing under the same name. Period.</i> [Again, makes sense! Why the heck would we have to deal with 2 institutions creating 2 sets of laws if legally those institutions are identical and were created for the same purpose? The answer is <b><i>RELIGION</i></b>. But, wait, the state is divided from the church, so Legislature should be blind to religious issues, after all we're talking about <i>CIVIL MARRIAGE</i>, not the religious one!].”<br /><br />In short, NOM says, “<i>We don't like this chain of events!</i>” Well, this is called <b><i>LOGIC</i></b>. And every human being with the proper sense of what logic is knows that logic is supreme, you can't fight it, this is the major principal we live by. So, if NOM says, “<i>The hell with your logic, the hell with everything that leads to gay marriage!</i>”, it only means NOM rejects the aforementioned logical construct (with all premises and conclusions) every step of the way, declaring homosexual people not worthy of any rights and proclaiming gays second-class citizens — something we have been talking about <i>ALL ALONG</i>. And I find it ridiculous if people don't see it or refuse to see it only because it serves their religious believes or just the general understanding of nature (<i>and I already <a href="http://3.ly/GodNatureAndGays" rel="nofollow">explored</a> the misconceptions of both points earlier in comments of this blog</i>).<br /><br />So, since NOM-thumpers speak out against creating unnecessary law, I suggest them to realize it's easy to avoid — by expanding the definition of <i>civil</i> marriage to include same-sex couples, and we see that some states already did so after going through the whole “creating of unnecessary law” phase. Now is the time to learn from them and stop pretending that we can treat homosexuals equally to heterosexuals but deny the former their basic right to enjoy marriage — logic says it's impossible to have both!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com