tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post3667273828663261579..comments2024-03-05T23:31:44.106-08:00Comments on Gay Family Values: Outrage...A "Must See" MovieGFVhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02950236433262366445noreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-4430338439228226522010-02-06T10:31:32.136-08:002010-02-06T10:31:32.136-08:00(for beginning see above...)
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I am abso...(<i>for beginning see above...</i>)<br /><br /><b><i>However...</i></b><br />I am absolutely against outing people in power who do not do anything bad for us — they, just like us, deserve to come out on their terms and in their time, if ever. But when, if ever, they start to actively work against their own people — they cross the line and they no longer deserve to stay in the closet for their convenience because they don’t just hurt themselves, they hurt us, too, and <i>for no good reason</i>.<br /><br />And Barney Frank is absolutely right when talking about the right to privacy, but not hypocrisy. I think these words of his about being subject to the law are amongst my favorite citations from <i>Outrage</i>. This is the core of this issue and the answer to the question why is it moral and absolutely justified to out people who hurt us.<br /><br />In closing, the famous words by Harvey Milk: “<i>If every gay person in this state came out — came out to their family, their friends, we would win. But that means that every gay person must come out to their families so their family doesn’t vote against them; to their friends, if they are indeed their friends; to their relatives; to the people where they work; and to their next-door neighbors. Nobody else. If that happened across the state, we’d win.</i>”Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-47358382442025975772010-02-06T10:30:55.073-08:002010-02-06T10:30:55.073-08:00I finally got around to watching Outrage. I had no...I finally got around to watching <i>Outrage</i>. I had no idea there are so many closeted gay people we know as celebrities, but not really as gays and lesbians. But that’s not the only reason this documentary was an eye-opener to me. It finally exposed the real face of a major problem our movement faces in American society — <b><i>internalized homophobia</i></b> as a significant factor reiterating the message that homosexuality should be hated and under no circumstances tolerated in our civilization.<br /><br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homophobia#Internalized_homophobia" rel="nofollow"><b>Internalized homophobia</b></a> was mentioned in <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perry_v._Schwarzenegger" rel="nofollow"><i>Perry v. Schwarzenegger</i></a> trial as an example of what happens with gay people when there is so much hatred and animus toward them, but this condition, as we were shown in <i>Outrage</i>, causes problems not only for the person suffering from it, but also for other gay people, if this person gets to draw bills as our legislator or to make decisions as our elected representative in the government, and, driven by his/her internalized homophobia, this person becomes our worst enemy.<br /><br />And <b><i>that is why</i></b> outing closeted gay people in power and with internalized homophobia can be morally justified. The only way to eradicate these feelings is to make the suffering person address them, confront them head on, no matter how hard it may seem. The result will be positive for this person, for the LGBT community, and for the society altogether. As Jim Kolbe, one of the speakers featured in <i>Outrage</i>, said, “<i>When you come out, I guarantee you the experience will be better than you ever dreamed it would be.</i>”<br /><br />And all the talk about stamina to stay in the closet is just one of those lies people make up for themselves to overcome their self-hatred — it’s nothing but a delusion; and it doesn’t take a nut-case to become delusional, each and every one of us is in danger, so no wonder it happens all the time with people who suffer from internalized homophobia — it’s just one step from clinical depression they suffer as a result of their homophobia.<br /><br /><b><i>Not enough reason?</i></b><br />Being gay and being against gay issues (<i>not just indifferent, but against!</i>) is like being an American and work actively against America — it’s the highest degree of hypocrisy and betrayal, it’s the terrorism against your own people, those like you! And it is our obligation to help those people understand that what they are doing is morally wrong — by outing them and forcing them to face their unfounded fears.<br /><br /><b><i>Not enough again?</i></b><br />These people are public figures, they decided to be ones, not us. We elect them to govern our state and to represent us, we entrust them with our well-being, with our lives, <i>so to speak</i>, so we deserve to know all there is to know about them, including their sexuality when they work against us because of some perverted thoughts that are rambling in their minds. They can’t be effective representatives for us if they suffer from deep feelings of self-hatred that <b><i>they transfer onto us</i></b> — we don’t want to hate ourselves, we don’t want to be hated, we don’t deserve this kind of representation, so if we need to out such hypocrites — we have to do it, for the sake of our lives and the lives of future generations of LGBT people.<br /><br /><b><i>Not enough once again?</i></b> <br /><i>Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell</i> policy is a perfect example of this hypocrisy: they (<i>our legislators, our government</i>) permit and condone outing gay military personnel on highest official (federal) level, but they think it’s not OK to out <i>them</i> while they are in the office? All those closeted people that voted <b>NO</b> on bills to permit gays serve openly in the military — they are the ones whose feelings we should consider and spare at our own expense? I don’t think so!<br /><br />(<i>to be continued...</i>)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-86413014449116282802010-01-25T17:29:21.939-08:002010-01-25T17:29:21.939-08:00The irony, documentary title: 'Outrage, Do Ask...The irony, documentary title: 'Outrage, Do Ask, Do Tell'.<br />Well, that's what K. and I did lmao :)<br /><br />xxSummerwenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11739437254497851960noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-80396808886442356342010-01-25T17:11:22.510-08:002010-01-25T17:11:22.510-08:00Bryan, sorry this went off-topic and thanks for th...Bryan, sorry this went off-topic and thanks for the space so Kirrilex and me could work this out. Much appreciated. Summer.Summerwenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11739437254497851960noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-13454382812575616372010-01-25T17:05:00.672-08:002010-01-25T17:05:00.672-08:00Kirrilex, its allright, Im usually more tactful (u...Kirrilex, its allright, Im usually more tactful (unless I talk to the usual homophobe-but even then I try), Ive been too stressed out the past few days and not doing too well and I actually regret having started this whole thing, but I think it's really cool you and me could work this out, I really appreciate that and you for that. I hope you will stay here, and next time I will know you mean what you say with good intentions, so dont retreat from doing that, you are okay :).<br />Can you now let me know what to call you (your name) and how I should write it? :0<br />Take care.<br />Summer.Summerwenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11739437254497851960noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-70964862959291293492010-01-25T14:28:20.357-08:002010-01-25T14:28:20.357-08:00Hahahahaha!!!!!!...thats priceless...and so true!Hahahahaha!!!!!!...thats priceless...and so true!GFVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02950236433262366445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-90185059781432695672010-01-25T11:54:15.744-08:002010-01-25T11:54:15.744-08:00This is my summer camp all over again! In 2001, wh...This is my summer camp all over again! In 2001, when I was 16, I went to this summer camp in the woods. It was great! Everything was great! People were great; food was great; the place itself was great; we’ve had some great activities, both outdoors and indoors! I loved it there! We even had our own newspaper (well, more like pieces of paper on the wall with handwritten texts on them). I had a nice (<i>girly</i>) handwriting, so I was on the editorial team. And one day we’ve had some kind of a disagreement: I wanted to do something my way, and the others wanted to do it their own way; no matter how hard I’ve tried to explain why my way was better, they wouldn’t concede. And this whole thing turned into a huge fight — I fought with my new friends; I felt alone, clueless why they wouldn’t understand that my way was better (<i>I don’t remember now what it was all about, but I was completely sure I’m right and my way is really better</i>). Eventually, I had to concede — I was in a minority (<i>of course, back then I didn’t know which minority was that — now that I know I’m gay I understand why I was such a bitch and drama queen</i>).<br /><br />Wendy, I’m sorry my English was so awful that because of it I ended up looking like a smart ass who tried to make you look bad; that wasn’t my intention at all.<br /><br />However, I hear it loud and clear that when I want to help somehow I should be either extra careful, or just shut the hell up. I guess, I’m gonna have to choose the latter, it’s safer and won’t cause any conflicts, for, clearly, I can’t handle a conflict gracefully.<br /><br /><b><i>By the way, Bryan,</i></b> word verification is <a href="http://gyazo.com/061520a76475aaeb27bcca2c0212dd61.png" rel="nofollow">still here</a> (at least, for me). :( Either you turned off something else by mistake, or it doesn’t work for some reason. I though you decided to leave it anyway.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.afterelton.com/sites/www.afterelton.com/files/images/intentional-typo-499x498.jpg" rel="nofollow">And here’s the funny end for this comment!</a><br />It’s kinda on the topic (<i>but not the topic of this post</i>).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-42244823365608345472010-01-25T10:17:36.418-08:002010-01-25T10:17:36.418-08:00Ok, back form the dead.
@Bryan, you weren´t out ...Ok, back form the dead. <br /><br />@Bryan, you weren´t out of line, you where joking and i think Lexi got it.<br /> <br />@Kirilexxi ( I have to agree your nick is awfully weird...XD j/k) Word of advice, don´t take things to seriously, It´s a blog... on the internet... we all know how the internets are... and happy birthday ^_^<br /><br />@Summerwen... really? If bryan wanted and apology he would ask for it himself. After all this is his blog, don´t talk for the no one, if this blog as one rule his "All of us has a voice" even when we are joking. <br /><br />Now Like Goblin said, we cannot hear your tone in your writing. <br /><br />Now.. let´s move along.SwAmPeXhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10929143737620431869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-5832376271003737232010-01-25T10:04:51.189-08:002010-01-25T10:04:51.189-08:00Sex adds removed...sorry I didn't get to them ...Sex adds removed...sorry I didn't get to them sooner but I didn't sheck in here on sunday and look what happens. and seriously...straight porn in a gay blog? I hope I don't have to put the comment verifier back in.<br /><br />And this minor dissagreement is my fault. had I just said "thank you for the advice" and moved on, none of this would have happened. instead I chose humor and sarcasm and that is a dangerous combination when...as goblin said...youcan't tell tone of voice. At any rate...lets all remember that this is a happy place, with butterflys, bunnyrabbits, and unicorns :)GFVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02950236433262366445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-45520420384343972132010-01-25T09:51:46.830-08:002010-01-25T09:51:46.830-08:00We saw this movie a month ago. I wish all America...We saw this movie a month ago. I wish all Americans would see it. Lindsey Graham (R) of S. Carolina is another one!!! He is about as straight as Liberace!!!Jim Stonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12387924451130690320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-3115802361964995882010-01-25T09:36:15.699-08:002010-01-25T09:36:15.699-08:00OMG this comments thread has gotten really dramati...OMG this comments thread has gotten really dramatic in the best history of the internet.<br /><br />I am going to come in here and act all superior by saying that we all have to remember that you can't read tone of voice very easily and that English isn't everyone's first language.<br /><br />Also I love the sex adds! This is the most amazing comment thread on this entire blog :Dorangegoblin82noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-87311432328000459292010-01-25T09:35:57.259-08:002010-01-25T09:35:57.259-08:00Kirrilex, first, I have no idea how to actually wr...Kirrilex, first, I have no idea how to actually write down your username, and from the start you and me have commented to eachother here, I have spelled your name the way I did above. So no, no intention whatsoever from me to criticize you by misspelling, how to spell your username is still unclear to me.<br /><br />Now, to clarify what went wrong. If you state this 'Don’t you think it would be more appropriate to post direct links?', you are actually impyling and assuming I intentionally put up those links, and have people struggle to have access to the documentary. That assumption to me is arrogant, because you dont know. And as Ive explained, that was not my intent. Also, I considered putting up the links directly, but wasnt sure if that would work. Also, if people could see the forum, they could look around and maybe find more films. I just chose the way I chose it and yes, not realizing people had to register. I would have preferred if you actually alerted me on my mistake, so I could correct. But, it was okay you corrected. If you had left that remark to out, it would have been fine.<br /><br />I dont think you should leave here and I apologize to you I made you feel bad and I will delete my post to you. And I think Bryan really likes you around here, so dont move on from here, we all need this place. Summer.Summerwenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11739437254497851960noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-9499825633180157132010-01-25T08:42:05.979-08:002010-01-25T08:42:05.979-08:00NOW I'm coming to "the gay movement"...NOW I'm coming to "the gay movement", YOU TALK ABOUT.<br />You mention GLAAD.<br />I don't agree with what they say, as you quote them. BUT 1 thing is very important to understand about people working in Gaymovementhelplines and centers = for a person in the gay movement who's helping people who contact gay organisations, it's not always easy to listen to people, and give them good advice. AND when somebody "a celebrity or a normal gay guy", tells his story on the phone, or comes to the centre(s), 1 of the most important things is confidentiallity !!. So the profession (even volunteers) of helpers in the gay movement need confidentiallity like a social worker has it's confidentiallity or an attorney. And that has to be respected a bit. That's maybe why GLAAD probably is cautious with this movie. But I think that every case has to be looked at seperately : What we hear about politicians you mention is apalling. But in every of these cases the're are many factors that play a role.<br /><br />I'm very touched with what Elizabeth Birch, said : <br />"I've literally had members of Congress crying in my arms because they don't know how to come out"<br /><br />ALSO HERE it's important to draw a LINE, when you know somebody that should be outed or not : but this is a tricky subject.<br /><br />NEVER I SAW A BETTER MOVIE WHERE "CONFIDENTIALLITY" of PROFESSION has been so important and making things difficult, then in the GAY MOVIE "PRIEST", (Great Brittain), of a decade ago or 15 years ago. DO LOOK TO THIS MOVIE. It's breattaking, and showing how difficult the line is between promissing confidentiallity, and what to do if you hear about a crime being committed, adn authorities should be warned.<br /><br />I ALSO WANT TO ADD THE FOLLOWING = Scientific investigation showed that nearly HALF or HALF of the HOMOPHOBIC PERSONS, are GAY themselves, pushing it away. (There are video on Youtube about this). When they watch gay movies and their penis's movments are measured by an electrode, lot's of them get aroused, what suggests they are gay themselves !!! A kind of inner fear, makes them homofobic. This has to be a psychological or social problem they have. (anjd maybe spiritual : remember Prayers for Bobby).<br /><br />AND FINNALLY : Something else, that maybe will cheer you up a bit :<br /><br />Did you know that GLAAD's Youtubechannel has been suspended by Youtube some months ago ?<br />I don't know if that's a good or bad thing for you :)<br /><br />Let's pray things will get better someday.<br />And I just heard Luxembourg is going to approve gay marriage and adoption very soon (look in the gayrightsgroup to see more of that).<br />Anyhow : I hope I'll get time soon to look to the movie you wrote about here.<br /> <br />Gaygreetzz from Holebis ♥♂♂,♀♀♥Holebishttp://www.youtube.com/Holebisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-87048370267593323802010-01-25T08:39:20.576-08:002010-01-25T08:39:20.576-08:00Hello Brian, Here Steven from Holebis-YT-channel, ...Hello Brian, Here Steven from Holebis-YT-channel, (I don't have an account on Blogger or 1 but I don't find i anymore, so I'm not a follower yet).<br />HERE I GO :<br />Yeah this is indeed a tricky subject "OUTING".<br />But it's from all era's, I guess. Gays (in OR out) are human too.<br /><br />As you know I'm in part of the GLBT movement in Belgium-Flanders (24 yrs now). I've seen many things that gays do to each other. Something of it is very perrsonal and I will tell this once in a PM or a letter in the future.<br />But one thing is very striking : Gays that are out, don't understand why gays can still believe in Jesus. I get discriminated in my own country by other gays. Even my organisations get discriminated, by part of gay moment because the director (me) of these organisations is "somebody who still believes in Jesus"<br /><br />NOW about what you're saying about the movie- I didn't see the movie yet- and outing, the following =<br />I can understand your reaction, very well. But <br />I want to say the following : We should get a certain line, when outing should be done, and when outing should NOT be done. <br />When I read your comment about that politician saying "I can buy and sell your ass a thousand times", I was shoced, but I know this happens.<br />And in this case I also would bring it out. This is not human anymore. <br />Too much gays marry a wife, and take their secret along with them in their grave when they die. <br />NOW I don't work only in the gay movement (esp. the gay movement to help young people), but also in organisations founded to prevent child- and especially boy-prostitution. East-Europeans come here and also Belgian guys protituting themselves. Guess who are the clients of these boys ?<br />Nearly all are married (to a woman) gay persons.<br />Sometimes I'm furious also about things as this.<br />Sometimes I get bisexuals on our helpphone, and I have to pull myselve together and I try to be as polite as possible. But they're making many victims, and I try to say to them : "Whatever you do (mostly it are married men), try to hurt as less people as possible, and the truth will set you free, but also think about others and choose the RIGHT MOMENT to tell it.<br /><br />ABOUT OUTING there have been discussions here also between several gay-organisations.<br />Certainly in the entertainement business, lot's of artists don't come out. Even here.<br />They are afraid of their carreer.<br />But more and more come out.(And some have been outed here).<br />As for politicians. The or a (former or still ?) vice-prime-minister of Belgium has outed himself years ago. It's Mr Elio Di Rupo (with Italian ancestors). He always wears a red strick. (You should google once to see his face, or on Yt :) ). <br />Some people against him tried a decade or more ago to accuse hime from pedosesual acitvities in gaybars in Brussels, what wassn't true. And he survived it politically, and is the most important or most influencial politician of the South of our country (certainly for 15 years already).<br />Now of my part of the country (Flanders), Mr. Pascal Smet, the new Flemish minister of Education and Schools, is an openly gay person.<br />So it 's getting better. But I'm sure there are a lot more.<br />(And sadly just heard/saw the news yestarday : the Roman Catholic Church has a new Artsbisshop in Belgium, who isn't so fond of gays, as the one that has retired).Holebishttp://www.youtube.com/holebisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-22518401991982247592010-01-25T08:23:03.818-08:002010-01-25T08:23:03.818-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-81783862316468982132010-01-25T07:23:55.941-08:002010-01-25T07:23:55.941-08:00For Bryan and for anyone who likes to see gay&...For Bryan and for anyone who likes to see gay&lesbian movies, tv shows or documentaries, I refer you to this forum: http://www.rootforum1.com/<br /><br />If you register, you can watch all kinds of gay&lesbian movies, also older ones, for free, online. Scroll down a bit and you will find the section for it. Ive found movies there I couldnt find anywhere else. Enjoy.Summerwenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11739437254497851960noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-25570255743923443712010-01-25T07:11:16.530-08:002010-01-25T07:11:16.530-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Summerwenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11739437254497851960noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-76837544045683267632010-01-25T01:41:40.928-08:002010-01-25T01:41:40.928-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-3971422618066902452010-01-24T19:26:04.442-08:002010-01-24T19:26:04.442-08:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-15322441178078187582010-01-24T18:06:49.751-08:002010-01-24T18:06:49.751-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Summerwenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11739437254497851960noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-88328176221936230612010-01-24T16:01:01.246-08:002010-01-24T16:01:01.246-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-38862200212969790552010-01-24T15:37:33.886-08:002010-01-24T15:37:33.886-08:00I was only kidding lexxi...wow..never take my sarc...I was only kidding lexxi...wow..never take my sarcasm that seriously everyone...I know lexxi meant it with positive intent as constructive criticism and I took it as such...I think this conversation left the realm of joking into seriousnessGFVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02950236433262366445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-56747224167755669952010-01-24T13:49:15.316-08:002010-01-24T13:49:15.316-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Summerwenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11739437254497851960noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-40918738151122749902010-01-24T10:59:14.581-08:002010-01-24T10:59:14.581-08:00Really... 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With What bryan post here yo...Really... Spelling?!<br /><br />With What bryan post here you check on spelling? Seriously... <br /><br />I´ve been outed before, But nothing serious, friends telling friends... But I´m not 100% that´s a good idea. But i don´t know.. this kinda people, I´ll do it... regual folks, maybe they live with a lot of preasure of life and stuff like that... <br /><br />I worte this one in like 1 minute, if you don´t get it, it´s okSwAmPeXhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10929143737620431869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-18374440482327001982010-01-24T10:05:08.485-08:002010-01-24T10:05:08.485-08:00@K!r!lleXXI
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