tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post4802709257453550700..comments2024-03-05T23:31:44.106-08:00Comments on Gay Family Values: Till Tuesday...The Spector of Amendment OneGFVhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02950236433262366445noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-86950577522823020692012-05-13T05:08:35.869-07:002012-05-13T05:08:35.869-07:00Oops. Made a little mistake above, or at least di...Oops. Made a little mistake above, or at least didn't mention something maybe I should have. My comments immediately above assume anyone you might say such things to already knows you're gay and that you have someone, but they just haven't met your special someone yet. If I created the impression above that I advocate indiscriminantly and recklessly coming out to anyone or everyone, that's not what I meant. Please don't just walk in a room just anywhere and say, "Hey, look at me everyone. I'm gay and this is my husband." Depending where you are, doing things like that could put you in unsafe situations. So, please don't do that.Dave, the Originalnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-81919911183970601462012-05-12T23:02:20.157-07:002012-05-12T23:02:20.157-07:00i agree..but my friend from georgia who is merely ...i agree..but my friend from georgia who is merely agnostic(as opposed to a circle casting gay pagan like me) was treated really horribly for not being 'christian' and everything i have seen so far that holds pretty true for that whole region, including the carolinas. so besides saying, to any glbt, gtfo, even texas treats you with more dignity than they do, if your staying or are stuck there for right now be safe even if that means having to conceal yourself.steeldragohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13726804816418609288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-26504772556939063852012-05-12T14:36:11.534-07:002012-05-12T14:36:11.534-07:00In my sympathy message to gay North Carolinians, I...In my sympathy message to gay North Carolinians, I urged those of them who made marriage proposals and then had a commitment ceremony to refer to their other half as their husband. I think now that those of us outside North Carolina who are partnered but not married in the legal sense should do the same. If you proposed marriage and the vows that you took or the promises you made to each other are of the type that most anyone regard them as marital vows, then why wouldn’t you give your other half both the honor and respect of calling him and introducing him as what he truly is in your heart—your husband? Isn’t what’s in your heart ultimately more important to you personally than what the law calls you—not that it isn’t important too, especially in terms of legal protections? And in saying “partner” instead, aren’t you adopting the terminology of your ideological enemy who either out of bigotry or ignorance withholds from you the status that most accurately reflects how you actually live? Why give them that satisfaction? Will a wilding Shiite Republican lynch mob be dispatched to wash your mouth out with soap and water for uttering the phrase “my husband?” If questioned, you can explain the sorts of love declarations you made to your other half when you dropped on one knee and presented a ring and what you ultimately asked of him—it wasn’t “will you be my domestic partner, roommate or apartment co-lessee?”—and that the vows the two of you took were marital in nature. On the planet you come from, that’s a marriage and you now have a husband, and you choose to honor him by calling him what he truly is to you even if the law doesn’t yet recognize it as such. This can be a good teachable moment for such people in that you’re showing you take marriage seriously and, apart from the gender issues they might have with you, that you’re good commitment material and that gay people who marry or want to are just as capable of this as straights are. You can make them understand that you think the taking commitment seriously element is more important to you than the genders involved and that, commitment-wise, you’re no different than they are. (You may, in fact, take it even more seriously than they do, but that’s better unsaid.)Dave, the Originalnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-65895088217843863482012-05-12T01:50:17.150-07:002012-05-12T01:50:17.150-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.steeldragohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13726804816418609288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-71627821378235886302012-05-12T01:33:09.060-07:002012-05-12T01:33:09.060-07:00off the politics for a moment...umm..i totally los...off the politics for a moment...umm..i totally lost it today...i saw a guy and my first thought (once i could) was 'where are jay and the kids!?" my next thought was 'what are you doing in odessa texas, in a commercial food supply????' i think he looks more like you than that irish guy. my mind kind of went numb for a moment. the good news is that i know, now, that if fate ever somehow makes us cross paths i wont be the puddle i thought i would be. course that was a just in passing and totally lacking jay so i could be wrong.steeldragohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13726804816418609288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-26355695583298838882012-05-09T15:27:38.281-07:002012-05-09T15:27:38.281-07:00You may have heard now that President Obama came o...You may have heard now that President Obama came out supporting marriage equality for us. There is a thank you petition to sign which I found the link to on joe.my.god.blogspot. Here's the link:<br /><br />http://thinkprogress.org/take-action/thank-obama-lgbt-b/<br /><br />I've already signed. Please everyone here do the same.Dave, the Originalnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-55965314920688993002012-05-09T15:02:46.549-07:002012-05-09T15:02:46.549-07:00Bryan,
I saw Jay’s Amendment One response video a...Bryan,<br /><br />I saw Jay’s Amendment One response video and agree with your family’s rule not to travel to or give your business to any state that gives no recognition to your family or to your married or coupled status at all. It’s pretty obvious that Nebraska and now North Carolina flunk your standard by the extreme of outlawing by constitutional amendment marriage, civil unions AND domestic partnerships. I’d do the same thing myself if I were in your shoes. I’m curious though how you apply that standard in somewhat grayer circumstances such as these:<br /><br />1. A state, by constitutional amendment, bans only marriage equality but that state allows other unions by statute;<br />2. A state bans only marriage equality by constitutional amendment, but is silent on other unions and that state hasn’t yet got around to passing statutes recognizing other unions.<br /><br />In my own life, I reward gay-friendly businesses with my business, Starbucks being the most obvious example, and stay away from gay-bashing douche bag companies. Starbucks isn’t necessarily the best latte option for me either taste-wise or pricewise and its selection of syrups, at least here, is pretty narrow compared to other places, but I don’t care. They stuck up for us on marriage equality, so they get my coffee drink business exclusively. Whenever I go there, I even think of it in terms of going for a cup of “marriage equality.”Dave, the Originalnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-41536286582887330262012-05-08T23:35:26.434-07:002012-05-08T23:35:26.434-07:00exactly... i share the sentiment and in that union...exactly... i share the sentiment and in that union of spirit may you blessed be.steeldragohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13726804816418609288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-25142018117193028252012-05-08T23:31:27.599-07:002012-05-08T23:31:27.599-07:00ok, now i just want to make some habanero pepper t...ok, now i just want to make some habanero pepper thing that i can shape like a penis and post pictures. it would be prodigious and 'spicy.' lolsteeldragohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13726804816418609288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-11136941423712028002012-05-08T19:45:07.304-07:002012-05-08T19:45:07.304-07:00I just learned from joe.my.god that Amendment One ...I just learned from joe.my.god that Amendment One passed. <br /><br />To any LGTB people here from North Carolina, I am so very sorry for your loss due to Amendment One. Even though the legal protection of marriage is even more lost to you now until such time as the Supreme Court finds all these amendments as unconstitutionally denying your equal protection rights federally, go ahead and have your ceremony anyway. Anyone who marries, even gay people, do it initially not for an enhanced benefits package but for emotional reasons. Asking your other half to marry you is the greatest and most profound declaration of your love you can ever give to him. This is about promising to cherish, care for and love each other forever. No Shiite Republican, no militant Christian and no toothless redneck, nor even thousands or millions of them can stop the two of you from promising each other these things. And, even if it has no legal effect, still go ahead and buy wedding rings. Do this for yourselves and no one else. You deserve it. And, whatever you do, don’t refer to him by some pathetic second-rate watered down designation like “partner” or “co-civil unionist” or whatever else. Dammit, call him your husband, because that’s who he really is in your heart. And accept nothing less from him.Dave, the Originalnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-66655271662532521002012-05-08T07:51:39.330-07:002012-05-08T07:51:39.330-07:00Whenever penile habenero poppers appear on the men...Whenever penile habenero poppers appear on the menu, find yourself a different Mexican restaurant--fast! :=D :=DDave, the Originalnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-59939051799502621022012-05-08T03:57:56.354-07:002012-05-08T03:57:56.354-07:00i too am economically conservative and socially li...i too am economically conservative and socially liberal...it costs me money to legislate and enforce all those retarded moral laws. i tend to end up voting for the lesser evil when i have to. that said i dont vote for president, its a worthless vote until the electoral college is obligated to follow it; 'course at that point just drop the college. i tend to be as much anti-democrat as i am anti-republican. generally im a green party guy but i dont vote based on party i vote on stance. as a gay pagan, i chose long ago to reject 'their' culture and insert my own, 'they' did not want me anyway.steeldragohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13726804816418609288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-89538435384529977532012-05-08T03:44:43.757-07:002012-05-08T03:44:43.757-07:00i love deep fat fried meat as much as any carnivor...i love deep fat fried meat as much as any carnivore but seriously..ouch! mmm....deep fat fried meat....mmmm bacon....sry food for thoughts is a hungering event.steeldragohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13726804816418609288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-29955604637395587512012-05-07T19:16:39.861-07:002012-05-07T19:16:39.861-07:00Come to think of it, Nebraska--where I live--is ju...Come to think of it, Nebraska--where I live--is just as bad as the South. We passed our own amendment to our state constitution banning gay marriage, civil unions, domestic partnerships, EVERYTHING. And we did this roughly 10 years ago. Two thirds voted in favor of that monstrosity. Maybe then we led the way and the South copied us. What a boobie prize that is! So, now I find I'm in violation of my own standard I set above. (So where is it that I put that deep fat fryer of mine...? :=D )Dave, the Originalnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-31605310166720467602012-05-07T18:44:32.631-07:002012-05-07T18:44:32.631-07:00Bryan,
I think there was some article at The Advo...Bryan,<br /><br />I think there was some article at The Advocate documenting how marriage equality has been constitutionally (statewise) out of existence in most of the South. This is why, as a gay person, I refuse to ever live there. I'll deep fry my privates before I'll ever move to Haters' Woodstock. :-D And I can't think of a worse environment for a gay couple to raise children in.Dave, the Originalnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-64118645460756182142012-05-07T11:51:38.228-07:002012-05-07T11:51:38.228-07:00Hi Jim,
Yes, these ballot initiatives, or at leas...Hi Jim,<br /><br />Yes, these ballot initiatives, or at least the California version, was found federally unconstitutional (denial of federal equal protection of the laws) by both the California Federal District Court and the 9th Circuit, but here’s the problem, in part anyway. The 9th Circuit is widely recognized as the most liberal circuit and their decisions are overturned more than any other circuit, which isn’t helpful. There also is a factual difference between Amendment One and Prop 8 which could be important legally: Prop 8 TOOK AWAY gay people’s (only briefly enjoyed) right to marry in California. In North Carolina, gays have never had a right to marry, not even for a millisecond, so there was no right of theirs to TAKE AWAY in the first place. Until such time as the U.S. Supreme Court ITSELF recognizes gays as a “suspect class” for discrimination purposes and extends the fundamental right to marry to us too, we will continue to be at the mercy of state legislatures and bigots at the polls.<br /><br />Generally, among those in the heterosexual hate community, protecting any rights of any kind for gay people by a court is called “judicial activism,” whereas having such potential rights up for a vote by the people, and presumptively taken away—of course—is called “the democratic process.”Dave, the Originalnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-71645592636461116192012-05-07T10:30:38.397-07:002012-05-07T10:30:38.397-07:00These marriage initiatives have already been prove...These marriage initiatives have already been proven unconstitutional with the Prop.8 trial. How the majority can put minorities rights on a ballot and vote them away is INHERITANTLY unconstitutional..right? I just don't understand how this is being allowed to continue?Jim Stonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12387924451130690320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-51305058437817126692012-05-06T09:47:37.197-07:002012-05-06T09:47:37.197-07:00That Amendment might get overturned, but only if w...That Amendment might get overturned, but only if we keep the proportion of Republicans on the Supreme Court from getting any larger. One reason I haven't voted for a Republican president in roughly 20 years is that they are usually theocratic freaks who will appoint the same to the Court. Only by keeping the body count of Republicans on the Court down is there any hope that they will ever recognize "heightened scrutiny" as a more appropriate standard of review in legislative sexual orientation discrimination cases. Using "rational basis" as the review standard in these cases is a joke and often result in us losing.<br /><br />The so-called culture war often forces me to be a single-issue voter whereas, if the Republican party and the religious right weren't one, I wouldn't be. In terms of profile, I tend to be fiscally conservative but socially liberal. That either makes me a moderate or politically schizophrenic and whichever I am is basically in the eye of the beholder. For me the social issues, particularly LGBT ones, are super compelling and have the potential of harming me directly depending on how things turn out. So I normally vote democrat at the presidential, senate and house levels and just hope those folks don't harm the economy too much.Dave, the Originalnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-24305898401834886422012-05-05T22:22:26.603-07:002012-05-05T22:22:26.603-07:00well..it seems to me to be like the sodomy law we ...well..it seems to me to be like the sodomy law we had in texas that was overturned by lawrence v texas where two men one elderly were having consensual oral sex in the older man's home. apparently his peeping tom neighbors called the cops. if it passes it will be overturned it will just be a matter of time. hopefully.steeldragohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13726804816418609288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-64082700893582946572012-05-05T18:52:48.505-07:002012-05-05T18:52:48.505-07:00Wow…two Dave’s? I am the original Dave from Omaha...Wow…two Dave’s? I am the original Dave from Omaha who you all know well now. If our new Dave becomes a regular, one of us will have to tweak our on-screen name so you can tell us apart. <br /> <br />I haven’t heard how the opponents of Amendment One are going about it, so I can’t assess how effective they are. One things for sure, and I’ve said this before at least twice. We need to use the term “marriage discrimination” rather than “traditional marriage” and we need to jam it down the throats of our opponents until they choke on it. Marriage equality is only about getting a license at city hall; it is not about religious marriage. Gays being able to get marriage licenses too poses no threat to anyone—not to existing straight marriages and not to their straight children whose orientation was biologically determined and who won’t be and can’t be persuaded to switch by hearing of alternative marriage options.<br /><br />This is about more than supposedly preserving heterosexual marriage. That will continue on all by itself. This is about theocracy, bigotry and inherent unfairness and this also needs to be jammed down the throats of our opponents until they choke on it. No himelick for you. Sorry….Dave, the Originalnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-90527187910983053362012-05-05T17:50:56.620-07:002012-05-05T17:50:56.620-07:00It's most likely going to pass because the peo...It's most likely going to pass because the people who are voting (majority anyway) don't care about the possible consequences. This makes me angry because this crap comes from the people who are always paranoid about unintended consequences of government. They need to know that the kind of government that can tell people they can't have an abortion can also tell people who they can marry. It goes both ways.Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13083015953598319423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-73718713926723476102012-05-05T17:32:46.830-07:002012-05-05T17:32:46.830-07:00If I wasn't buried in finals right now, I prob...If I wasn't buried in finals right now, I probably would be spending a lot of time researching this, as it is all I can do is take a few minutes to get pissed that this is up for a vote. Thanks for covering it.Poets Reachnoreply@blogger.com