tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post6791348430962218985..comments2024-03-05T23:31:44.106-08:00Comments on Gay Family Values: The "New" Normal?GFVhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02950236433262366445noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-39740071385347175002012-10-10T12:19:19.426-07:002012-10-10T12:19:19.426-07:00I love that show. She really is a nutball. And s...I love that show. She really is a nutball. And so narrowminded. And congrats to the engaged couple.Cammtlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11041630356437806834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-10787428775704884152012-10-10T10:02:39.032-07:002012-10-10T10:02:39.032-07:00The latest episode, which aired Monday, Oct. 8th, ...The latest episode, which aired Monday, Oct. 8th, about the pretend wedding of the surrogate mother's daughter, really upset me to the point of tears. And I have never hated the Nana character or wanted to strangle her more. What a fucking bigotted cunt she is! If I ever ran up against someone THAT bigotted in real life, I would tell him or her off in the most brutal way I possibly can come up with. They'd probably get a restraining order against me! :-D :-DDavenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-55150885359172695662012-09-24T11:01:30.552-07:002012-09-24T11:01:30.552-07:00I'll give it a try. I don't mind some of ...I'll give it a try. I don't mind some of the stereotypes because I have been friends with gay people who are very much like the characters that these shows get criticized for.<br /><br />I'm a little worried about some of the comments. It may be that I'm reading too much into them, but it seems like some people are blaming feminine men for the bigotry of anti-gay people rather than blaming the anti-gay people for being anti-gay. I understand the frustration that television seems to only display one kind of gay person (though, to be fair, sitcoms aren't exactly known to have layered characters). The problem is when the frustration starts to crossover into condemning feminine men for being feminine.zeromooglehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17799367356619420643noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-71808723335957095082012-09-18T19:43:21.768-07:002012-09-18T19:43:21.768-07:00I saw another episode of The New Normal tonight. ...I saw another episode of The New Normal tonight. While definitely not my type at all, I’m getting better adjusted to Brian’s fabulosity now. Don’t mind me if I invent some new words; it’s not like you can stop me anyway! :-D At least this show is consistently making whatever bigot shoots off his or her mouth look bad rather than a Republican folk hero. The lumber jack dude in the fast food got the smack down in tonight’s episode. He turned out to be gay too? I didn’t see that one coming. But the guy I really would have enjoyed seeing his lights punched out for his bigoted rant was “Maggot Daddy” in the department store with his wife and his brainwashing-victim-in-progress daughter. Yeah, have a transcranial, transfacial knuckle sandwich on me! :-D That’s a little surgical humor that only certain people here receiving private e-mails from me would understand.<br /><br />One part that unexpectedly made me tear up a little was when Brian and David were listening to the ultrasound and one said to the other that we’re hearing the sound of our new family. I would guess that line had a similar effect over at the Leffew’s household.<br />Davenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-6471447584562051292012-09-14T07:38:45.695-07:002012-09-14T07:38:45.695-07:00Hugs back, Steeldrago. Maybe more if I can just g...Hugs back, Steeldrago. Maybe more if I can just get you alone. Just kidding! :-D We wolves need to keep current on our stalking skills. It’s part of our yearly continuing education requirement! :-D :-D Grrr!! :-D<br /><br />Yeah, I was really upset when I did that funny rant on that bigoted grannie. Maybe anger enhances my creativity the same way that LSD enhances the creativity of others. Dunking my schlong in a jar of Purell after boning Grannie? :-D Not sure that Purell is strong enough to kill the tiny little critters she’s carrying around inside her. Maybe I should have tried to get the worst off first by vacuuming and THEN follow up with the Purell dunk! :-D :-D<br /><br />Davenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-80799072854317837312012-09-13T21:38:48.277-07:002012-09-13T21:38:48.277-07:00inserting gratuitous humour and cute guys..
bear t...inserting gratuitous humour and cute guys..<br />bear talk the add for mister.<br /><br />http://youtu.be/U--3_QjAvW4steeldragohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13726804816418609288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-10288738410353787412012-09-13T21:35:02.435-07:002012-09-13T21:35:02.435-07:00hugs dave....
wikipedia is not a reliable source ...hugs dave....<br /><br />wikipedia is not a reliable source except for very surface browsing, they do have fact checking but the encyclopedia brittanica they are not.<br /><br />there is a commercial for mister (an app for smartphones that is basically grinder for older guys and bears (isnt scruff for bears?? that seems more 'appropriate' - lol)) in which the cute cub says everything with 'woof' and 'grrrr'(not totally inaccurate ;P) the guys on bearcentral, some of them anyway, had the same reaction you did here dave. i personally found it a very well done bit of humour. <br /><br />nuria is right, it is a step by step thing. sometimes to get where you want you need to cater to something a bit less to prepare the way...its very sexual if you think about it. steeldragohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13726804816418609288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-80029357961166610622012-09-13T12:48:51.294-07:002012-09-13T12:48:51.294-07:00Nuria,
In case you actually bothered to look up M...Nuria,<br /><br />In case you actually bothered to look up Malcolm X at Wikipedia, you probably understand that during the struggle for black civil rights in the 60's, Malcolm X was hardly the turn-the-other-cheek figure Martin Luther King was. Malcolm X was much more the if you get in our faces too much and aggress upon us, we WILL strike back. In the gay equality movement in America, the meek weakling approach of a Martin Luther King-like figure doesn't seem to work on the Bible-banging and Republican bigots we face in this country. So, when we are dealt with harshly, I'm personally okay with us responding harshly back. We as gay people in this country need to drop the nicey nice crap and grow a spine. More of us are doing that anyway, but not yet enough. Maybe we should draw inspiration from Malcolm X and make those bigoted maggots out there very sorry they messed with us. Davenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-12572614207332606572012-09-13T12:11:22.033-07:002012-09-13T12:11:22.033-07:00But for example in Spain we have Almodovar who can...But for example in Spain we have Almodovar who can be accused to stereotype gay characters and we have also the film Cachorro who presents "bears" gay characters taking care of a boy. <br /><br />But Cachorro may not have been possible if Almodovar had not done their films before<br /><br />Step by step, it will come.<br /><br />(About Malcom X with Wikipedia every reference can be understood no matter where you from hehehehe)Nuriahttp://www.gritopolitico.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-35493919810435059842012-09-13T10:38:58.286-07:002012-09-13T10:38:58.286-07:00 Nuria,
While I would like nothing better than yo... Nuria,<br /><br />While I would like nothing better than your hope that this show will help others to understand and accept gay families better to actually come true, it feeds so heavily into the stereotypes that bigots have of us that I’m doubtful that such a result will be achieved. Those stereotypes may get pandered to so much in this series that many viewers may miss the point. I still maintain, as I did above, that very bad casting decisions were made for the gay couple. The best way to refute a stereotype is to present its polar opposite: bearded, burly hyper-masculine men with lots of chest hair AKA “bears” would have been much better choices as the gay couple. The bigoted grandmother, as much as I hate her stinking guts, probably needs to be there. But other characters need to be there to oppose her and ridicule her. Any show that depicts gay parenting is automatically going to be dismissed as leftwing propaganda regardless of how it’s done, so we might as well make the show a combination teach-in on gay parenting and a bigot-bashing platform and do as much damage to our opponents as humanly possible.<br /><br />Yet another rant from your friendly neighborhood gay Malcolm X…. Nuria, if your from Spain (?), there’s no reason for you to understand the Malcolm X reference but Americans who remember the 60’s will understand me just fine.<br />Davenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-69822283854196372662012-09-13T07:34:14.516-07:002012-09-13T07:34:14.516-07:00Hello! I'm Nuria, I'm spanish so my englis...Hello! I'm Nuria, I'm spanish so my english is not really good, I'm sorry for that! I understand your point of view, but the thing is my parents are straight and I've never felt that any straight family on tv represents my family. Tv it's Tv and never it's gonna shows the real life, because like you said many times, the real life is boring, doesn't matter if you are gay or straight.<br /><br />And I agree with you Cam and Mitchell's family maybe don't represents a real gay family, but do you thing the Dunphy's family represents a real straight family?<br /><br />So don't worry if this tv gay families don't represent your family, because the important thing is that this tv gay families help many people to understand and accept your family.<br /><br />In Spain now we have equal marriage and gays and straights have the same rights and I'm sure tv and films helped a lot people to accept and defend that.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Nuriahttp://www.gritopolitico.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-34158634872887988432012-09-12T16:56:51.078-07:002012-09-12T16:56:51.078-07:00lol.....
as one who has made the statement 'm...lol.....<br /><br />as one who has made the statement 'my politics is done at the end of a gun' (because regardless of party, assuming democrat or republican, there exists very little real difference from one to the other, insert highly volatile political rant) i am highly amused.steeldragohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13726804816418609288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-3494980693032662032012-09-12T16:49:53.459-07:002012-09-12T16:49:53.459-07:00i enjoyed the book of mormon a lot.
my brother b...i enjoyed the book of mormon a lot.<br /><br /> my brother being mormon added a layer of amusement for me. steeldragohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13726804816418609288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-25932580891000740032012-09-12T16:47:28.284-07:002012-09-12T16:47:28.284-07:00skeletor was my first gay character, not that i un...skeletor was my first gay character, not that i understood that then. <br /><br />tales of the city was a huge display for me as a gay man. it was the first positive gay character i remember seeing, not to say it was an ideal portrayal even then.steeldragohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13726804816418609288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-55112185206747631572012-09-12T16:35:39.087-07:002012-09-12T16:35:39.087-07:00dude...i love it....dude...i love it....steeldragohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13726804816418609288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-53399166152068196632012-09-12T16:27:58.617-07:002012-09-12T16:27:58.617-07:00i am reminded of the bugs bunny shows and the othe...i am reminded of the bugs bunny shows and the other old cartoons. the humour there was exactly the same stereotypical crap. the stereotypes exploited have been around for a very long time...and they still exist in the minds of people. i like that they make satire out of the ridiculous bigotry of nana. <br /><br />i think it would be foolish to completely write that stuff off as done, people are still racist homophobic assholes that continue in their self serving little boxes of pseudo reality that allows them to justify their own hate and stupidity. merely because we have laws on the books and groups out there trying to stop the 'growing of' old stereotypes via litigation and loudly screaming foul when they are portrayed does nothing to stop people from believing those stereotypes. it certainly does not stop the stereotype for it to be a real thing in certain cases. <br /><br />people fail to understand satire across the board. i dont always get it myself-especially when it hits close to home. part of the point of comedy is to make you think about the views you possess without attacking you as a person, even if you are in fact in the wrong. it remains to be seen where they go with the show, it could be awesome but probably only sporadically. <br /><br />i really enjoyed the scene where bryan comes home with the baby clothes...i know hetero women who do that very thing and with the same attitude that david is afraid bryan has. which is sad....children should be treated as the blessing they are. <br /><br />welcome to being an objectified hot commodity bryan. <br /><br />TV is fake...sadly too many people dont understand that and it has been that way from word one, look at the scare that war of the worlds brought to the U.S. and it was just a radio broadcast.<br /><br />i am a member of the tv generation, the kids that grew up learning about the world through a less than 20" monitor screen-mostly not in color and without a remote. in many ways i live in a fantasy world but the reality is we all do in one way or another, some fantasies are better than the one currently possessed. steeldragohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13726804816418609288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-28981228880567401622012-09-12T12:16:02.018-07:002012-09-12T12:16:02.018-07:00I completely agree with Bryan.
What we see on TV ...I completely agree with Bryan.<br /><br />What we see on TV is so much fake, especially when it comes to gays and stereotypes. The New Normal, Desperate Housewives, Modern Family - the gays on these shows are pretty much the same. The people who don't know any gays in real life tend to think: "Oh, that's what all the gays are like!" <br /><br /><br />I'm still closeted and my mom thinks that there's always a male and a female part in a homosexual relationship. I consider both you and Jay masculine. If I was out, I'd show my mom your videos like "look at these sexy men raising their kids better than any straight couple out there". ;)<br /><br />meMyselfAndInoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-67486987364288337252012-09-11T21:14:46.310-07:002012-09-11T21:14:46.310-07:00I guess I will at least try and watch an episode(I...I guess I will at least try and watch an episode(I don't know that I wan't to make a point of recording it) but I don't know the promos that I have seen just never captured me. They just annoyed me more then anything, in part because I just don't see any part of my life reflected in it. I think the only gay characters on TV I have ever liked where Will and Jack from Will and Grace, and most Favorite where Kevin and Scotty from Brothers & Sisters (I loved that show and was pissed when ABC ended it after only five seasons!!) Although it would be nice to see a character that reflected someone like me, IE not feminine but not masculine, and well honestly on the lower end of the income scale. (retail worker) I don't know that I will hold my breath on that but it sure would be nice to see a show where the gay character was not some well payed lawyer, designer etc. aNorthWestViewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03598507140332496283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-25404853963637491972012-09-11T20:21:53.081-07:002012-09-11T20:21:53.081-07:00Another thing about tonight’s episode that really ...Another thing about tonight’s episode that really offended me was the gay bar scene. Did you notice that EVERYONE there, with the exception of the David character--the masculine part of the relationship--and David’s straight friends, were all ultra-thin, swishy and fabulous? You’d almost need a chainsaw to cut through the thickness of the estrogen fart stench in there. Please, just don’t anyone strike a match in there…. :-D :-D We’ll have to see, but I don’t know how many episodes of this show I can take. This show has to have more going for it than the fun of watching me completely lose my shit here in anger over it.Davenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-31032925480794758862012-09-11T19:41:13.411-07:002012-09-11T19:41:13.411-07:00I just saw my first episode of this. OMG….Stereoty...I just saw my first episode of this. OMG….Stereotype-wise, this is worse than I thought. What a Republican wet dream this show is going to be! :-D I can’t stand the Brian character. He looks like he just stepped out of an HGTV nightmare and makes David Bromstad look butch. :-D And that NaNa…. “Sodom and Gomorrah Fudge Factory?” You should talk, grannie, with that rotten sushi stinking hole you prance around with every day of your pathetic life! Not that I’d ever want to sleep with you anyway because I’m not into fish tacos but, even if I did, I’d feel the need to dunk myself in a jar of Purell afterwards! :-D Do us a favor, honey. Next time before you leave the house, jam some Airwick or Glade Air Freshener under your Depends, you geriatric Sarah Palin! :-D :-D We’re tired of fumigating our house after every time you come over and we just can’t afford you anymore! :-D I’m not a violent guy, but now I see I’ve been excessively narrow-minded in not considering strangulation at least once. Being unwilling to try new things is a serious character flaw and I understand that now and know it’s something I need to work on! :-D :-D Seriously though, this grannie character typifies the type of walking, talking bigoted colostomy bag I’m just waiting to try to get mouthy with me so I can have the fun of cutting loose and verbally mowing them down with all cylinders.<br /><br />Wow, she really got me riled up. This is probably the angriest anyone has ever seen me here.<br /><br /><br /><br />Davenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-18009965505581163162012-09-11T17:28:19.767-07:002012-09-11T17:28:19.767-07:00I agree with you based on the roles the characters...I agree with you based on the roles the characters play. I would have enjoyed seeing two masculine guys in the couple. Maybe one being a GI and the other a lawyer or something. Or a cop and a fireman. Or a preacher and a construction worker. I just get tired of seeing the same characters over and over. Emmitt from "QAF", Kurt and Blaine on "Glee". Jack on "Will and Grace", Louis on "Partners", Stanford on "Sex in the City" and the list goes on.<br /><br />I remember the first gay character on TV I noticed was Steven Carrington on DYNASTY. He didn't fit the mold as the above. We need more like him on TV.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-43177759063391458242012-09-11T16:31:32.732-07:002012-09-11T16:31:32.732-07:00Try not to get too hung up on the title. Although,...Try not to get too hung up on the title. Although, in that regard, same-sex couples (or anyone, really!) having children through surrogacy is pretty "new", in the grand scheme of things, just as it is now the norm for pretty much everyone to have a different kind of family situation ("normal" kind of ceasing to exist). <br />You also have to bear in mind that TV doesn't portray many people very realistically, whoever they are! I mean, I'm a I'm a single, straight, white, brunette, but I'm nothing like Zooey Deschanel! I still enjoy watching her sitcom though (even though, again, quite a lot of what happens is rather implausible!).<br />I enjoyed this pilot and am looking forward to the series. I didn't find every single joke funny, but I'm certainly willing to give it another look (particularly because of Andrew Rannells! He did such a fabulous job in the Book of Mormon!).Vickyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10296176329544731736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-75476701899493862252012-09-11T16:22:43.843-07:002012-09-11T16:22:43.843-07:00The pilot doesn't promise much... looks like t...The pilot doesn't promise much... looks like the show will be one of those that don't cross the threshold of all that's PC and good, with superficial and neatly-resolved-within-the-episode conflicts. Yes, that describes many shows on air, but the viewership of comedy has been getting serious and demanding for a while now.<br />They really need to stop doing the neat gender role assignments. And if they must do it, why define femininity as effinimacy? Ugh.<br />We've already encountered gay dads. The surrogate angle is now, but the premise is not radical enough anymore to retain attention even when the show itself isn't steller.<br />Oh I hope they shape up and soon! fahimahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06041675392408860659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-50423362974550362822012-09-11T15:15:15.027-07:002012-09-11T15:15:15.027-07:00In Omaha, this show airs at 8:30 central and I’ll ...In Omaha, this show airs at 8:30 central and I’ll watch it then. I’m also recording it on the DVR so I can watch it as many times as I please. I looked at the video excerpt you posted, Bryan, and the casting makes me cringe. The gay characters are so stereotypical that I want to blow chunk! :-D So, supposedly one is supposed to be masculine and the other feminine, eh? I’m personally into bears myself, so my perception of masculinity is warped in the direction of hyper-masculine. Neither one, in my eyes, comes off strongly masculine. They’re both too manicured, too Bed, Bath & Beyond. :-D One, however, looks so fabulous that surely he must fart estrogen, and there’s no air freshener that can fix that! :-D :-D This may prove to be really funny, but that it is so stereotypical is not at all helpful at all. It’ll just perpetuate the same ol’ neanderthal attitudes of bigoted vermin out there. What would better casting decisions look like? What is the most obvious polar opposite of typical gay stereotypes? Bears. Had this series been in my personal creative control, I would have cast bears as the gay couple and I would have made both equal in masculinity so there are no space for “husband” and “wife” role inferences. What about the bigoted grandmother? I think I’d leave her in as is. But I’d introduce one or more additional characters whose mission in life is to humiliate this bigoted twat at every possible opportunity. :-D This is in keeping of my own militant personal philosophy toward bigots: They are NOT to be appeased or coddled. They are to be humiliated and then crushed. Made a footnote in history to be laughed at and the sooner, the better….<br /><br /><br /><br />Davenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-587902609826926070.post-29291718918108577372012-09-11T15:09:52.281-07:002012-09-11T15:09:52.281-07:00The entire show was one massive cliche of stereoty...The entire show was one massive cliche of stereotypes. The only saving grace was the little girl, who seemed very natural and human. I'm not going to waste my time supporting a show that treats gay people like they were cardboard cutouts. The fact that (non-stereotypical) gay characters like Max (on Happy Endings) exist, makes this show all the more offensive. Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15230904611777026890noreply@blogger.com